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Individual 64038's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
Feedback items
Item id
1763563354927_220
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s0
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

this is not in plain language. The text should lead by example and comply with the ASC Plain Language Standard.

What should we change it to?

Write the standard in plain language.

Why should we change it?

Everyone will have access to the. material, and be able to find, understand and use the standard. All ASC materials should be in plain language.

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1. Accessibility Standards Canada: About us
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1.
Item id
1763563499625_726
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s3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Plain Language please

What should we change it to?

edit it

Why should we change it?

remove a barrier to understanding

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3.1 Legal notice for standards
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3.1
Item id
1763563599443_252
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s3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

present in plain language

What should we change it to?

plain language, if ASC can presebnt the standard in French, you can present it in plain language.

Why should we change it?

Remove a glaring barrier to access and understanding.

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3.3 Disclaimer and exclusion of liability
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3.3
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1763564110520_313
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s20.1.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Are alerts required to be available in plain language?

What should we change it to?

Require alerts to be in plain language.

Why should we change it?

So everyone has. access to egress instructions.

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20.1.3 Alternate formats
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20.1.3
Submission ID
64038
Submitted by
bill@accessibrand.com
Submitted on
Wed, 11/19/2025 - 09:55
Consent to contact
Yes

Individual 64084's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
Feedback items
Item id
1763740750479_464
Heading id
s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

The scope section

What should we change it to?

Broaden the scope to include all buildings or spaces in relation to the non-built environment components of the standard (eg a. 11).

Why should we change it?

The scope section is written as a built environment standard - only applying to new builds, renos, or new occupancy. However parts of the standard, such as section 11, are applicable to all occupied buildings regardless of the timing of the last changes.

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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
Item id
1763740882899_699
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s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

The scope section and content included

What should we change it to?

Include evacuation from outdoor spaces as well.

Why should we change it?

Evacuation is also applicable in outdoor spaces, especially given the breadth of the types of evacuations that the standard refers to. Eg national parks and forest fires.

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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
Item id
1763741041319_656
Heading id
s9
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Clarify what section 10 is doing or relocate it

What should we change it to?

Clarify what section we is

Why should we change it?

What is section 10? It’s numbered as though it’s a substantive section but it has no requirements. It’s written like definitions, but isn’t in the definition section.

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10. Emergency egress for people with disabilities
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10.
Item id
1763741170440_976
Heading id
s10
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Reference to peep

What should we change it to?

Add (if any)

Why should we change it?

When the public visits somewhere, they will rarely have a PEEP. This suggests it will always exist.

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11. Practices and procedures
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11.
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1763741394590_958
Heading id
heading-33
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Reference to peep and buddy.

What should we change it to?

Add (if any)

Why should we change it?

In public buildings, visitors with disabilities rarely have a peep or an assigned buddy. This would typically only be in place where people are regularly visiting somewhere (their workplace)

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10.1.1.6 Emergencies using areas of refuge
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10.1.1.6
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1763741576631_987
Heading id
heading-39
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

“Designated floors”

What should we change it to?

“Designated areas”

Why should we change it?

In large buildings, a fire warden may have responsibility for an area smaller than the whole floor.

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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
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1763741747075_190
Heading id
heading-41
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Review list of “person with a disability shall” to ensure its relevance to visitors

What should we change it to?

Break the list up or clarify what elements are applicable to visitors versus planned and regular occupants.

Why should we change it?

This section assumes a person with a disability regularly comes to The building. Visitors will not have a PEEP, for example, and should not be required to develop one.

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11.2.1.3 The role of the person with a disability
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11.2.1.3
Item id
1763741825639_1
Heading id
s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Cross references

What should we change it to?

Add cross references to peep section in

Why should we change it?

There’s a lot of mention of peeps elsewhere and it would be useful to reference where to find more info

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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
Item id
1763742062482_773
Heading id
s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Visitor peep

What should we change it to?

I don’t know

Why should we change it?

The visitor peep section seems to assume a visitor to an office building. This is both an extreme expectation of someone with a disability every time they visit any space and unrealistic. Someone goes to apply for a passport, visits a federal museum, goes to the bank, or goes to the CN tower. This is simply not possible.

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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
Item id
1764002800513_846
Heading id
s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

reference to security or checkin desk

What should we change it to?

Add (if available) or equivalent

Why should we change it?

Not all buildings will have a checkin or security desk that visitors will be checking in at.

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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
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1764002858754_224
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Reference to sign

What should we change it to?

Require accessible means of communication to invite visitors to complete PEEP

Why should we change it?

Signs are often not accessible and therefore are not a great means of identifying visitors that may need a PEE.

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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
Item id
1764002991125_360
Heading id
heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Reference to buddies

What should we change it to?

Provide clarity or alternative to buddies for visitors

Why should we change it?

Again - given the numbers of visitors and sizes of some buildings, visitors are not going to have a buddy with them who can be responsible for this. I'm imagining large museums, or airports, etc. What is the alternative? As written, it says that everyone who needs assistance SHALL have a buddy.

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
Item id
1764003115283_596
Heading id
heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

"Before an emergency occurs, each person having been identified as needing assistance shall be assigned a buddy and a backup buddy who is willing to assist in an emergency. It is the responsibility of the building manager to ensure that buddies are assigned. If no one volunteers to be a buddy, then it is the responsibility of the building manager to provide that service."

What should we change it to?

Before an emergency occurs, the building manager shall assign a buddy and a backup buddy who is willing to assist in an emergency to each person having been identified as needing assistance.

Why should we change it?

Clarify who is responsible for completing various activities. make it a shall instead of "is responsible for"

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
Item id
1764003217151_828
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Given the importance of the emergency egress drills to ensure that all occupants of a building know the necessary procedures to safely exit the building, all individuals shall participate in the emergency egress drills. This will ensure that, during an emergency, everyone is aware of what to do and where to go. Drills are conducted to ensure that the plans in place are understood, realistic, safe, and effective.

What should we change it to?

Given the importance of the emergency egress drills to ensure that all occupants of a building know the necessary procedures to safely exit the building, the building manager shall ensure that all individuals participate in the emergency egress drills. Note: This will ensure that, during an emergency, everyone is aware of what to do and where to go. Drills are conducted to ensure that the plans in place are understood, realistic, safe, and effective.

Why should we change it?

Clarify who owns the requirement and convert additional information into a note.

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
Item id
1764003302839_246
Heading id
heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Drills shall be practised at least every 12 months. For some people with disabilities, executing the entire emergency egress procedure may be stressful, cause harm to their physical or mental well-being, or be extremely time consuming. In these cases, the emergency egress procedure should be executed to the greatest degree possible. A successful emergency egress drill shall ensure that:

What should we change it to?

Build managers shall practise drills at least every 12 months. For some people with disabilities, executing the entire emergency egress procedure may be stressful, cause harm to their physical or mental well-being, or be extremely time consuming. In these cases, the emergency egress procedure should be executed to the greatest degree possible. Through a successful emergency egress drill, building managers shall ensure that:

Why should we change it?

Clarify the responsibility - the drill isn't responsible for anything.

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
Item id
1764003353416_655
Heading id
heading-53
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Rewrite as a note or a normative statement

What should we change it to?

Rewrite as a note or a normative statement

Why should we change it?

As written, this is just informative. There is no requirement here.

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11.4.1.2 Register with the fire department or 9-1-1 Centre
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11.4.1.2
Item id
1764003505249_70
Heading id
heading-54
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Clarify the responsibility of the standard

What should we change it to?

Clarify the responsibility of the standard

Why should we change it?

The first sentence in this section is a note, not a requirement. The subsequent items are aimed at people assisting and buddies. Are they the audience of the standard? I would think this needs to be written that building managers shall ensure... Or occupants shall ensure...

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11.4.1.3 Requirements and guidelines for persons (buddies) assisting a person with a disability
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11.4.1.3
Item id
1764003555527_855
Heading id
s11.4.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Clarify responsibility and audience

What should we change it to?

Clarify responsibility and audience

Why should we change it?

The section now has shall requirements for PWD and their buddies. But again, are they the audience that is implementing the stndard? OR should it be that building managers or occupants shall...

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11.4.2 During the emergency
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11.4.2
Item id
1764003708490_623
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s11.4.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

After an emergency situation has taken place, an in-depth review shall be conducted on the effectiveness of the procedures that were developed and implemented. All drills and emergencies shall be documented to facilitate improvement. Potential improvements should be discussed frequently and openly. This discussion shall:

What should we change it to?

After an emergency situation has taken place, the building manager shall conduct an in-depth review on the effectiveness of the procedures that were developed and implemented. The building manager shall document all drills and emergencies to facilitate improvement. The building manager should discuss potential improvements with occupants and affected parties frequently and openly.

Why should we change it?

Clarify who is responsible for this. The drills and emergencies cannot document themselves.

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11.4.3 Post-emergency: Evaluation and improvement
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11.4.3
Item id
1764003752802_631
Heading id
s11.4.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

This discussion shall:

What should we change it to?

Add person responsible for this.

Why should we change it?

It is not clear who is responsible for ensuring that the discussion includes these things. The discussion can't do it itself.

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11.4.3 Post-emergency: Evaluation and improvement
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11.4.3
Item id
1764003813010_754
Heading id
s11.4.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

If feedback was provided by any of the building occupants during the post-evacuation discussion that could improve the egress of people with disabilities, this information shall be used to update the building evacuation plan and/or the PEEPs. When changes are made, they shall be discussed with the person with the disability, their buddies, and any other occupants who may provide assistance during an emergency egress situation.

What should we change it to?

If feedback was provided by any of the building occupants during the post-evacuation discussion that could improve the egress of people with disabilities, the building manager shall use this information to update the building evacuation plan and/or the PEEPs. When changes are made, the building manager shall discuss them with the person with the disability, their buddies, and any other occupants who may provide assistance during an emergency egress situation.

Why should we change it?

Clarify responsibility

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11.4.3 Post-emergency: Evaluation and improvement
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11.4.3
Item id
1764003851943_136
Heading id
heading-57
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

In addition to reviewing the Fire Safety Plan and the individual personal emergency egress plans after every emergency egress, the plans shall be updated every time there is a situational change that could alter how a person with a disability can safely exit the building during an emergency. This could include situations such as:

What should we change it to?

In addition to reviewing the Fire Safety Plan and the individual personal emergency egress plans after every emergency egress, the building manager shall update plans every time there is a situational change that could alter how a person with a disability can safely exit the building during an emergency. This could include situations such as:

Why should we change it?

Clarify responsibility

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11.4.3.1 Changes to the emergency egress plans due to situational changes
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11.4.3.1
Item id
1764004182983_223
Heading id
s12.1.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

be equipped with a hands-free two-way communication system that is at a maximum height of 1200 mm;

What should we change it to?

Add a minimum height too.

Why should we change it?

If the communication system is too low, its also inaccessible.

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12.1.7 Areas of refuge communication
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12.1.7
Item id
1764004401104_924
Heading id
s13.2.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Should this be a note? It doesn't have any normative requirement

What should we change it to?

Should this be a note? It doesn't have any normative requirement

Why should we change it?

Should this be a note? It doesn't have any normative requirement

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13.2.3 Smart phones
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13.2.3
Item id
1764004589836_661
Heading id
s17
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Clarify the title

What should we change it to?

Clarify the title. Perhaps Barriers to Emergency Egress?

Why should we change it?

The name of this Annex isn't clear - isn't the whole standard about this? And "issues" seems to put the responsibility on the person with a disability.

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18. Annex A: Emergency egress issues for persons with disabilities
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18.
Item id
1764004665190_631
Heading id
s20.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Rename Accessible emergency alerts for people with disabilities

What should we change it to?

Rename Accessible emergency alerts

Why should we change it?

Its not just for PWD. So remove.

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20.1 Accessible emergency alerts for people with disabilities
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20.1
Item id
1764004712083_45
Heading id
s20
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Rename Emergency evacuation devices for people with disabilities

What should we change it to?

Rename Accessible emergency evacuation devices

Why should we change it?

To clarify the responsibility.

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21. Annex D: Emergency evacuation devices for people with disabilities
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21.
Submission ID
64084
Submitted by
cara@ltrt.ca
Submitted on
Mon, 11/24/2025 - 12:19
Consent to contact
Yes

Individual 64174's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
Feedback items
Item id
1764258901056_116
Heading id
s0
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Why included this in a standard that has to do with egress? It's already so long you could make it shorter or skip it all together. Most people know who you are.

What should we change it to?

Eliminate it all together.

Why should we change it?

Too long.

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1. Accessibility Standards Canada: About us
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1.
Item id
1764259134968_237
Heading id
s19.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

What about buildings that have a public? We can't have everyone fill this out.

What should we change it to?

There should be a public section and guideline on how to actively support people with disabilities in the public without a form.

Why should we change it?

Because otherwise the draft reads like its just for internal employees in the building.

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19.3 Visitor PEEP
Heading number portion
19.3
Submission ID
64174
Submitted by
Juliechapko@gmail.com
Submitted on
Thu, 11/27/2025 - 10:59
Consent to contact
No

Individual 64176's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
Feedback items
Item id
1764275982083_346
Heading id
s13.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

This clause is meant to outline the general principle of a single stage fire alarm system. Remove the term "shall be".

What should we change it to?

Substitute "shall be" with "is". Add "fire" to, an emergency exists. A single-stage system is designed so that, when activated, the alarm signal is immediately transmitted throughout the building to warn the occupants that a fire emergency exists.

Why should we change it?

This verbiage is in line with the first part of the sentence, A single-stage fire alarm system is ... Adding "fire emergency" is inline with the general definitions in the ULC fire alarm standards.

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13.1.1 Single-stage system
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13.1.1
Item id
1764276340976_919
Heading id
s13.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

The first sentence does not align with the ULC fire alarm standards.

What should we change it to?

In a two-stage alarm system, a distinct alert signal advises designed persons of a emergency.

Why should we change it?

Expand on the first sentence to align with the fire alarm standard and provide additional context that not all people in the building are notified of the alert signal.

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13.1.2 Two-stage system
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13.1.2
Item id
1764276703995_866
Heading id
s13.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

The 3rd sentence describes the second stage, but is not accurate.

What should we change it to?

The second notification in the two-stage alarm system will transmit an audible signal to a zone, zones or throughout a building to advise occupants that a fire emergency exists.

Why should we change it?

This clarifies that the fire alarm system does not "advise occupants on how to proceed." The second stage signal is to notify occupants that a fire emergency exists and that they need to implement the procedures noted in the fire safety plan.

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13.1.2 Two-stage system
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13.1.2
Item id
1764276927264_404
Heading id
s13.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

"Both single stage and two stage systems cause the fire alarm panel to send signals to the fire department or monitoring station (fire alarm receiving centre or 9-1-1 Centre)." This is not correct. I'm not sure what the intent of this statement was for.

What should we change it to?

Not all fire alarm systems are designed to transmit a signal to the fire department or monitoring station (fire alarm receiving centre or 9-1-1 Centre).

Why should we change it?

Not all fire alarm systems are required to transmit a signal to the fire department or monitoring station (fire alarm receiving centre or 9-1-1 Centre). This is a common misconception. If there was a specific intent of the original sentence, maybe that can be explored and additional verbiage can be added.

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13.1.2 Two-stage system
Heading number portion
13.1.2
Item id
1764277091751_323
Heading id
s13.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Alarm signals to evacuate occupants do not sound. Notification is via a voice announcement. I don't understand the intent of either sentence. Neither are true.

What should we change it to?

Delete both sentences.

Why should we change it?

Not all buildings are provided with a voice communication system. Typically only high buildings, as required in the NBC, or provincial codes.

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13.1.2 Two-stage system
Heading number portion
13.1.2
Item id
1764277189545_610
Heading id
s13.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Technical requirements for fire alarm systems are provided in the NFC.

What should we change it to?

Technical requirements for fire alarm systems are provided in the NBC.

Why should we change it?

The National Building Code of Canada and provincial building codes provide the technical requirements for the installation of fire alarm systems. CAN/ULC-S524 provides the technical requirements for the installation of fire alarm systems.

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13.1.2 Two-stage system
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13.1.2
Item id
1764277279972_27
Heading id
s13.1.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Visible signal system

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

Not all fire alarm systems are provided with visible signaling devices.

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13.1.3 Where a fire alarm system is provided
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13.1.3
Item id
1764277427548_740
Heading id
s13.1.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Visible signal system

What should we change it to?

Unknown intent.

Why should we change it?

Further explanation of how a visible signalling system will be installed is required. What device/s will initiate the visible signals? What are they connected to? How does this system operate?

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13.1.4 Where a fire alarm system is not provided
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13.1.4
Item id
1764342849241_956
Heading id
s22.5.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add an Annex

What should we change it to?

Annex F Emergency Communication

Why should we change it?

Clauses 22.5.1 through 22.5.5.4 appear to be related to emergency communication rather than Occupant Evacuation Elevators.

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22.5.1 General requirements
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22.5.1
Item id
1764342961818_536
Heading id
s22.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Firefighter elevators can be used to evacuate an occupant.

What should we change it to?

Firefighter elevators can be used to evacuate occupants.

Why should we change it?

Firefighters elevators can be used to evacuate more than one occupant if required.

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22.4 Firefighter elevators
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22.4
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1764343177796_663
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s22.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Some building codes require firefighter elevators in high-rise buildings.

What should we change it to?

The NBC and provincial building codes require firefighters elevators in high-rise buildings.

Why should we change it?

The word "some" indicates that not all high-rise buildings require a firefighters elevator. The Canadian buildings require firefighter elevators in all high-rise buildings, not just some.

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22.4 Firefighter elevators
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22.4
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1764343469065_858
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s19.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Remove question, "Do you require assistance in an emergency?"

What should we change it to?

Remove the question from both employee and visitor PEEP questionnaire.

Why should we change it?

Unless every employee is completing the questionnaire, the question is redundant. They are completing the form because they require assistance. The subsequent questions establish the type of assistance required.

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19.2 Employee PEEP
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19.2
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1764343627799_455
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s19.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Add an additional question before, "Do you require assistance going to the area of refuge?"

What should we change it to?

Add a new question. "Do you know where the areas of refuge are located in the building, and which one is nearest to your work area?"

Why should we change it?

There is no question confirming that the employee has been made aware of the location of the area of refuge. The same can be added to the visitor PEEP.

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19.2 Employee PEEP
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19.2
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1764343833220_35
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s19.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Add "floor areas" to one of the questions.

What should we change it to?

Will you be going to different/other floor areas or buildings?

Why should we change it?

The employee may not only go to other buildings, but may also go to other floors, or floor areas in the same building. The details may be important for them, and also responding emergency services.

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19.2 Employee PEEP
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19.2
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1764344040687_142
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s19.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Add a confirmation to some of the questions.

What should we change it to?

Some of the questions ask the employee/visitor if they know where something is located. The question is YES/NO. Add a confirmation question if the person indicates NO.

Why should we change it?

It is important to follow up with the individual to ensure that if they answered NO to a specific question, that they then are educated and can answer YES to the follow up confirmation. It is important to close the loop.

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19.2 Employee PEEP
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19.2
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1764344217344_421
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s19.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

The form asks if they have a buddy, YES/NO.

What should we change it to?

Add some indication of who the buddy is, and who the back up buddy is.

Why should we change it?

It's important to document that the buddy has been established and who the buddy/back up are. There should also be some confirmation from the buddy that they are aware of their voluntary obligation.

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19.2 Employee PEEP
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19.2
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1764344489564_946
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s19.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

There is no indication that there is a summary page for emergency services to understand who may need assistance, where they are located, how to contact, or what type of assistance may be required.

What should we change it to?

Add a summary example that can be included in the FSP for emergency services. For example a table with Name, location, contact, type of assistance required, # of personnel required to assist.

Why should we change it?

Emergency services do not have time to flip through pages to determine who may be in danger when responding. Firefighters can prioritize assisting evacuation if required if they know where the individuals are located.

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19.2 Employee PEEP
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19.2
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1764344670630_962
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s19.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add information to the visitor sentence.

What should we change it to?

" ... is for visitors (Visitor PEEP) and employees that may be in the building on an intermittent basis."

Why should we change it?

Adding additional context after visitor to include employees reiterates that the Visitor PEEP is not just for visitors, but also includes employees that may not work in the building on a full time basis.

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19.1 PEEPs general
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19.1
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1764344843921_892
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s19.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

There is no question that asks about the normal working hours, or off hours.

What should we change it to?

Include a question asking if the employee works during hours the building is normally occupied, or if they work during off hours.

Why should we change it?

The employee may have a buddy during normal work hours. But they may also work after hours when a buddy is not available. The employee should understand and have knowledge of the procedures for evacuating in both situations.

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19.2 Employee PEEP
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19.2
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1764345157533_462
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s18.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Change the word process. Communication is vital during an emergency egress process.

What should we change it to?

Maybe change to "situation".

Why should we change it?

Emergency evacuation in this context is more of an event or situation rather than a process.

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18.1 People with communication disabilities
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18.1
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1764345416046_563
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s18.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

... component of the person’s PEEP

What should we change it to?

... component of a PEEP.

Why should we change it?

A PEEP is more general.

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18.1 People with communication disabilities
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18.1
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1764345637228_818
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s17.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

There are no requirements for the inspection, testing and maintenance of evacuation devices.

What should we change it to?

Add requirements for following manufacturer's instructions for the ongoing inspection, testing and maintenance of the various devices.

Why should we change it?

The manufacturer's may have specific information related to the inspection, testing and maintenance of the devices to ensure they are operational. In addition, as the devices will be identified, not locked and accessible, they may be moved or stolen. It's important to ensure they are replaced, or relocated back to their intended location.

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17.1 Evacuation devices
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17.1
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1764346804409_98
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s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Clause r) states, use official pictograms.

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

There are no official pictograms for fire safety plans in Canada. The pictograms provided in sample fire safety plans from province-to-province and from various municipal fire departments differ. There is no "official" pictograms.

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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
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16.3
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1764346883815_775
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s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause k)

What should we change it to?

add, "and type". Identify the location and type of the evacuation device.

Why should we change it?

This is to clearly indicate which devices are at specific locations.

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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
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16.3
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1764346983544_781
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s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Clause e) states "manual pull stations".

What should we change it to?

Change to manual stations.

Why should we change it?

Manual pull station is the old term. Manual station is the new term referenced in the NBC, and ULC fire alarm standards.

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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
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16.3
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1764347155739_349
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s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause g)

What should we change it to?

Unknkown.

Why should we change it?

It is not clear what "fire alarms" is referring to. A fire alarm system is installed throughout a building. Manual stations, the manual device used to activate the fire alarm system is identified in clause e). If this clause is referring to the locations of smoke detectors, or heat detectors, there is no added benefit to these being on an emergency evacuation map. They would add clutter to the map.

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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
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16.3
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1764347327628_500
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s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Change the word "Map".

What should we change it to?

Change map to floor plan. In some instances in this document site plan may be more applicable. Such as when referring to identifying the muster point.

Why should we change it?

The term floor plan is more appropriate for the context.

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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
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16.3
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1764347387354_93
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s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause f)

What should we change it to?

Identify the location(s) of the accessible exits.

Why should we change it?

For consistency.

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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
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16.3
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1764347574342_102
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s15.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

The last sentence refers to signs.

What should we change it to?

Unknown.

Why should we change it?

What signs are being referenced? Signs indicating how to use the OEE? If so, that should be specified. Maybe another sentence at the end. The sign shall provide information on how to operate the OEE.

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15.3.1 Information
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15.3.1
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1764347778333_386
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s15.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause c) refers to fire safety evacuation plan. This is the first use of this wording.

What should we change it to?

Unknown.

Why should we change it?

If the intent is to post the operating procedures for the OEE on all posted procedures throughout the building, this will additional information that is not relevant to most people, and is not appropriately located. The last sentence in this clause indicates that signage should be posted adjacent the OEE. This is the appropriate location. Also, the operational procedures should be inside the elevator.

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15.3.1 Information
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15.3.1
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1764348046305_319
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s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Clause b states that major renovation is defined in the NBC.

What should we change it to?

Delete the reference.

Why should we change it?

Work is ongoing in relation to establishing renovations and major renovations in the NBC. However, major renovation is not currently referenced in the 2020 NBC.

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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
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1764348506104_685
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s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Sprinklering of a building shall not be considered the only acceptable provision of fire safety and does not negate the need for compliance with this Standard.

What should we change it to?

Unknown.

Why should we change it?

Consider rewording the sentence to clarify the intent. Consider, Installation of a fire sprinkler system in a building does not negate the need for compliance with this Standard. While fire sprinklers provide a degree of fire safety, this standard is intended to provide life safety for people with disabilities that is commensurate with that provided to other occupants of the building.

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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
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s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Definition of Buddy

What should we change it to?

A volunteer, such as a friend, colleague, family member or staff member ...

Why should we change it?

Volunteer and friend should be separate to denote that volunteer applies to the position. In addition, add that a family member can be a buddy.

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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1764348869240_513
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s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

There is no definition of floor warden, or emergency warden, but these terms are referenced in the standard.

What should we change it to?

Add definitions, but maybe state that other terminology can be used for the various roles.

Why should we change it?

These terms are used but not defined.

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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1764349002989_62
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s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add a definition, "Supervisory Staff".

What should we change it to?

Supervisory staff means those occupants of a building who have some delegated responsibility for the fire safety of other occupants under the fire safety plan.

Why should we change it?

This term is defined in the NFC and provincial fire codes. The term can used in this standard rather than warden.

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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1764349136727_370
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s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add a definition for shelter-in-place.

What should we change it to?

Add definition

Why should we change it?

There are various references to shelter-in-place, but there is no definition. In addition, there are no procedures identified for shelter-in-place, or how it differs from an area of refuge. While some people may understand, others may not.

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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1764349342616_799
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s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Modify the last sentence of definition of "means of egress"

What should we change it to?

Means of egress includes exits, access to exits, path to a muster point and a muster point.

Why should we change it?

The path to the muster point should also be included.

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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1764349427463_595
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s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Major renovation

What should we change it to?

Provide more clarification as to what is considered a major renovation.

Why should we change it?

The definition is too vague, and subject to interpretation.

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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1764349612651_704
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s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

PEEP. ... information on how to evacuate in the event ...

What should we change it to?

add reference to shelter-in-place and area of refuge.

Why should we change it?

The PEEP should outline the conditions under which an individual may need to shelter-in-place, or proceed to area of refuge if they cannot evacuate the building. These options should be identified in the definition.

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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1764349688956_81
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s9.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add other abbreviations from the standard.

What should we change it to?

add ULC CSA ASME ITU

Why should we change it?

These abbreviations are used in the standard but not noted in this clause.

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9.2 Abbreviations
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9.2
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1764349797612_549
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s9
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

The first sentence states that all buildings have a fire safety plan. This is not true.

What should we change it to?

... require that certain buildings have a fire safety plan ...

Why should we change it?

Not all buildings require a fire safety plan.

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10. Emergency egress for people with disabilities
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10.
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s10.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clauses e) and n)

What should we change it to?

Move hazardous materials from clause n). It may be appropriate to add it to clause e).

Why should we change it?

A hazardous material response is different than a response to an explosion. A haz mat incident is more inline with clause e) toxic fumes/gas leaks.

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10.1 Emergency situations
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10.1
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1764350262824_530
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heading-30
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

The term floor warden.

What should we change it to?

supervisory staff rather than warden.

Why should we change it?

Terminology for supervisory staff (as defined in the NFC) may differ. Some may use wardens, others may use other terms. Supervisory staff is generic.

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10.1.1.3 Emergencies requiring shelter-in-place
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10.1.1.3
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1764350472137_479
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heading-31
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

This section does not describe the types of emergencies that require horizontal evacuation.

What should we change it to?

Change the title to delete "Types of".

Why should we change it?

The clause outlines a horizontal evacuation, not the types of emergencies that may require a horizontal evacuation.

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10.1.1.4 Types of emergencies requiring horizontal evacuation
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10.1.1.4
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1764350875634_136
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heading-31
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

"Outside ground level" and "unaffected wings of multi-building complexes".

What should we change it to?

... to proceed to designated exits that lead through a firewall to an unaffected area of the building. Sometimes the door through the firewall is considered to be entering a separate building.

Why should we change it?

The terms used were unclear and not necessarily specific to horizontal evacuation. Horizontal evacuation does not require taking individuals to the exterior of the building.

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10.1.1.4 Types of emergencies requiring horizontal evacuation
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10.1.1.4
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1764351294908_523
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

add but not limited to

What should we change it to?

The fire safety plan shall include, but not limited to, information on ...

Why should we change it?

This clause does not outline all of the requirements for fire safety plans specified in the NFC and provincial fire codes.

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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1764351409769_727
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

j) requested

What should we change it to?

request

Why should we change it?

Grammar

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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1764351639593_599
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

add updating/review requirements.

What should we change it to?

The fire safety plan and PEEPs shall be reviewed at intervals not greater than 12 months to ensure that they take account of changes in the use and other characteristics of the building and occupants.

Why should we change it?

It is important to review the FSP and PEEPs at regular intervals, and when there are changes to the building, or changes to the occupants and their abilities.

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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1764351754252_837
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Change "provided", ... a copy of that plan is required to be provided to the arriving emergency services – typically through a fire safety plan box

What should we change it to?

... a copy of that plan is required to be available to the arriving ...

Why should we change it?

Available is a more accurate term than provided.

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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1764352013437_49
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

The fire safety plan is intended to be used during all emergency situations.

What should we change it to?

The fire safety plan is intended to be used by fire department operations to provide insight into the characteristics of the building, hazards and occupants. The FSP can be used to assist building management, occupants and fire department operations in evacuating the building.

Why should we change it?

The fire safety plan can be used in fire emergencies and emergencies requiring evacuation. But it is an overstatement to say that FSP is intended to be used during all emergencies.

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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1764352363837_808
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heading-39
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

change emergency warden

What should we change it to?

The role of Supervisory Staff

Why should we change it?

Change emergency wardens to supervisory staff throughout. This aligns with the NFC terminology.

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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
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1764352492823_836
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heading-39
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add clause f)

What should we change it to?

f) Inform persons with a PEEP and their buddy of any changes that may effect the PEEP.

Why should we change it?

This places the responsibility on the supervisory staff to advise of any changes that may effect a PEEP.

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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
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1764352583157_182
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heading-40
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

First responders

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

Various terms have been used. First responders, emergency personnel, emergency services. Consider a review of the document and consolidate terms where appropriate.

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11.2.1.2 The role of the first responder(s)
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11.2.1.2
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1764352910405_528
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heading-40
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause e) & f)

What should we change it to?

Unknown.

Why should we change it?

Should this Standard dictate the operational priorities of first responders? The clauses state that the fire department will assist them to evacuate. Evacuation may not be warranted at the time, however there are no options provided. Consider revising.

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11.2.1.2 The role of the first responder(s)
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11.2.1.2
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1764353118264_581
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heading-40
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Review and submission to the fire department.

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

Many provinces require that fire safety plans be submitted to the fire department for review. Note that the FSP is submitted to the department, but it's not under the role of first responder. Is it intended that the fire department review the PEEPs as well. If so, this should be included in the Standard. Possibly add another clause for the submission and review of PEEPs

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11.2.1.2 The role of the first responder(s)
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11.2.1.2
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1764353176334_252
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heading-41
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Capitalize or don't capitalize the first word in each clause.

What should we change it to?

Capitalize or don't capitalize the first word in each clause.

Why should we change it?

There are inconsistencies throughout the document.

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11.2.1.3 The role of the person with a disability
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11.2.1.3
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1764353278812_583
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heading-41
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

add clause h)

What should we change it to?

h) Inform Supervisory Staff of any conditions may effect their PEEP, either due to changes in the site, building or their abilities.

Why should we change it?

This puts the responsibility on the individual to notify the supervisory staff of any changes.

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11.2.1.3 The role of the person with a disability
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11.2.1.3
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1764353437918_650
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heading-42
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

add i)

What should we change it to?

i) Inform Supervisory Staff and person requiring assistance of any conditions may effect the PEEP, either due to changes in the site, building or if they can no longer fulfill their responsibilities as a buddy.

Why should we change it?

This places the responsibility of notifying the appropriate people of any changes.

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11.2.1.4 The role of the buddy
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11.2.1.4
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1764353533316_147
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heading-42
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

h) "fire drill"

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

The term fire drill is used in the NFC. Several terms are used in the document including emergency drill. Considering reviewing the document and using a single term.

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11.2.1.4 The role of the buddy
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11.2.1.4
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1764353718489_30
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s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

The NFC and the Provincial Fire Codes that require that all buildings have a fire safety plan ...

What should we change it to?

The NFC and the Provincial Fire Codes require certain buildings to have a fire safety plan. Fire safety plans must include information on emergency egress for all occupants, including people with disabilities.

Why should we change it?

There was a redundant "that" which should be deleted. Not all buildings require a fire safety plan.

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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
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1764353976570_602
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s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

2-3 days a week.

What should we change it to?

Delete

Why should we change it?

Consider not providing a specific number of days. Consider using a term such as intermittently.

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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
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1764354261590_320
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s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Visitor PEEP form

What should we change it to?

Visitor/Short Term PEEP Form

Why should we change it?

Provide the additional Short Term to be specific. Some people don't read the text that accompanies the form.

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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
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1764354397376_316
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s11.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Registry list

What should we change it to?

include a template document of a registry list.

Why should we change it?

Another comment was provided in the Annex information regarding the registry list and providing a template document.

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11.3.2 Employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans
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11.3.2
Item id
1764354523717_963
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s11.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause c) notes an emergency response plan

What should we change it to?

Unknown.

Why should we change it?

This is the first time that the term emergency response plan is noted. Should the term be defined? Should emergency response plan be identified elsewhere in the document?

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11.3.2 Employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans
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11.3.2
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1764354592483_375
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s11.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause e) emergency floor warden

What should we change it to?

Supervisory staff

Why should we change it?

Consider a review of the document for the various terms. Maybe consolidate to supervisory staff so that the terminology is in line with the NFC.

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11.3.2 Employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans
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11.3.2
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1764354691367_941
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s11.3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Who is developing the PEEP.

What should we change it to?

Unknown.

Why should we change it?

11.3.2. notes that the manager and person with the disability will prepare the PEEP. Is the manager or FSP provider working with the person?

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11.3.3 How to prepare employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans (PEEP)
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11.3.3
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1764354779712_945
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s11.3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause d) personalized

What should we change it to?

delete the term personalized

Why should we change it?

It's redundant.

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11.3.3 How to prepare employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans (PEEP)
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11.3.3
Item id
1764354861170_968
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s11.3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause f)

What should we change it to?

add, ... annually, or when changes occur ...

Why should we change it?

changes may occur and it's important to capture the changes in the FSP and PEEP as soon as possible.

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11.3.3 How to prepare employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans (PEEP)
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11.3.3
Item id
1764354956816_286
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s11.3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause g)

What should we change it to?

add, ... during emergency drills, or more frequently as needed.

Why should we change it?

It may be important to practice more often.

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11.3.3 How to prepare employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans (PEEP)
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11.3.3
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1764355038904_376
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s11.3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause h)

What should we change it to?

Test all equipment and procedures identified in the PEEP.

Why should we change it?

Or should be changed to and to identify that both equipment and procedures should be tested, not one or the other.

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11.3.3 How to prepare employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans (PEEP)
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11.3.3
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1764355211788_891
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s11.3.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause g)

What should we change it to?

change fire alarms to manual stations

Why should we change it?

By identifying the manual station locations the individual knows where to manually activate the fire alarm system.

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11.3.4 Information to be included in the employee PEEP
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11.3.4
Item id
1764355278955_468
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s11.3.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause s)

What should we change it to?

add that the diagram should identify the manual station locations.

Why should we change it?

It is important that occupants know where the manual stations are located so that they can manually activate the fire alarm system.

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11.3.4 Information to be included in the employee PEEP
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11.3.4
Item id
1764355619520_128
Heading id
heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Reword the paragraph starting with "Given that ..."

What should we change it to?

Given the importance of the emergency egress drills all individuals shall participate in emergency egress drills. This ensures that all occupants of a building know the necessary procedures to safely exit the building, or to safely access an area of refuge.

Why should we change it?

Reworded for ease of reading.

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
Item id
1764355755312_455
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

fire drill frequency

What should we change it to?

Fire drills shall be practised as required by the NFC or Provincial Fire Code.

Why should we change it?

The NFC and Provincial Fire Codes require more fire drills at least annually but more often for specific buildings.

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
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1764355896434_274
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add a sentence after, greatest degree possible.

What should we change it to?

In some circumstances practising the drill may be completed at a different time or more often.

Why should we change it?

Some individuals may need to practise a drill at a different time or more often. This should be stated in the standard.

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
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1764360871748_887
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause e)

What should we change it to?

add buddy

Why should we change it?

Buddy should be added as they are assisting individuals in evacuation.

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
Item id
1764360933665_546
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause g)

What should we change it to?

delete call boxes

Why should we change it?

Call boxes is not a term used in Canada.

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
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1764361031393_222
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add another clause, i)

What should we change it to?

i) all people, including those working off hours, or after normal working hours participate in emergency egress drills.

Why should we change it?

It is important to ensure that all occupants know, understand and participate in drills.

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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
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1764935057827_993
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s11.4.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

c) states "remaining", while the others relate to evacuating.

What should we change it to?

c) proceed to the area of refuge and remain until instructed further.

Why should we change it?

There is no indication to proceed to the area of refuge.

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11.4.2 During the emergency
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11.4.2
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1764935129305_566
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s11.4.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add or drill, after emergency situation

What should we change it to?

After an emergency situation or drill has taken place ...

Why should we change it?

It's important to capture feedback after drills as well as after emergency situations. Add similar statement throughout section.

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11.4.3 Post-emergency: Evaluation and improvement
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11.4.3
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1764941148226_533
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s11.4.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause d) there is no follow up if communication was not effective.

What should we change it to?

... was effective and inclusive, if not, investigate further and provide recommendations for improvement.

Why should we change it?

The original statement is only confirming that the communication was effective. If the communication was not effective, there should be follow up.

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11.4.3 Post-emergency: Evaluation and improvement
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11.4.3
Item id
1764941259672_349
Heading id
heading-57
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Change, "personal emergency egress plan" "emergency egress plan".

What should we change it to?

PEEP, or personal emergency evacuation plan.

Why should we change it?

Consistency

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11.4.3.1 Changes to the emergency egress plans due to situational changes
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11.4.3.1
Item id
1764942467785_375
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heading-57
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add a change in the buddies abilities.

What should we change it to?

add another clause, "changes in a buddies abilities to assist as noted in the PEEP;"

Why should we change it?

The abilities of a buddy may change over time. If they are no longer able to assist as noted in the PEEP, the PEEP should change.

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11.4.3.1 Changes to the emergency egress plans due to situational changes
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11.4.3.1
Item id
1764943185965_996
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s12.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

"an acceptable form of refuge."

What should we change it to?

consider, shall not be considered an acceptable form of refuge in lieu of an area of refuge."

Why should we change it?

The term "area of refuge" is used. But then the term refuge is used. Consider revising to use the term area of refuge rather than refuge.

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12.1.1 Application
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12.1.1
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1764943497509_738
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s12.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause b) notes floor area, should this change to building

What should we change it to?

within a fire compartment that is separated from the remainder of the building by a fire separation...

Why should we change it?

The area of refuge should be separated from the remainder of the building by the required fire separation rating. The fire resistance rating of the fire separation should extend not only to the walls, but also the floor and ceiling above.

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12.1.2 Location of the areas of refuge
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12.1.2
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1764944235717_245
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s12.1.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Clause c)

What should we change it to?

Provide clarification of the 200 lux.

Why should we change it?

Is this an average level? where is the measurement taken? The NBC specifies the average level of illumination at floor or tread level, etc with a minimum level of illumination.

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12.1.3 General
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12.1.3
Item id
1764944512755_605
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s12.1.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

clause d)

What should we change it to?

Provide a maximum distance. Does any evacuation device satisfy the requirement?

Why should we change it?

Vague language results in future issues. Clarifying a distance will help with enforcement, and provide guidance in complying. Consider specifying that the evacuation device at an area of refuge should be the one noted in a persons PEEP for that area. Considering providing language for what devices, if any, are required in areas where there are no PEEPs with specified devices.

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12.1.3 General
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12.1.3
Item id
1764944764294_276
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s12.1.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Clause c)

What should we change it to?

add, power door operators installed on closures in fire separations shall be rated for use on fire doors.

Why should we change it?

All hardware used on fire doors must be rated, however this is often overlooked.

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12.1.4 Doors serving an area of refuge
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12.1.4
Item id
1764944948604_177
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s12.1.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause e) & f)

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

Clarify what specifically needs to be connected to backup power. Clarify what dimensions need to be free from protrusions. Is it from floor level to ceiling, etc?

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12.1.5 Interior of areas of refuge
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12.1.5
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1764946441463_526
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s12.1.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause f)

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

Clause f notes that the ventilation system is separate. But there are no design parameters, or additional information. Should there be a note somewhere in the standard indicating that the ventilation system must be designed in conformance with the NBC, or other design parameters?

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12.1.6 Clear waiting space
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12.1.6
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1764946705394_823
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s12.1.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause b)

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

Is it worthwhile specifying that the max height is to the top of the device, (if that is the intention)? Some standards state from the top, while others such may reference the mid point of a device.

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12.1.7 Areas of refuge communication
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12.1.7
Item id
1764946799152_684
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s12.1.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause f) references an "emergency response system".

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

What is an emergency response system? There is no definition, nor is it a common term used in the building code or fire code. Provide clarification.

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12.1.7 Areas of refuge communication
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12.1.7
Item id
1764947047396_404
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s12.1.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause h) indicates that the communication system must be linked to security or emergency call centre.

What should we change it to?

Unknown.

Why should we change it?

Provide clarification as to the intent of this clause. A security system may not have an immediate response from anyone. Security systems and fire alarm systems have different installation standards; fire alarm is much more stringent. Are there inspection, testing and maintenance requirements for the communication system?

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12.1.7 Areas of refuge communication
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12.1.7
Item id
1764947196861_872
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

12.2 states Exit Doors

What should we change it to?

Either delete "Exit", or add separate clauses 12.2.1 Egress Doors 12.2.2. Exit Doors

Why should we change it?

The requirements pertain to both exit and egress doors, not just exit doors.

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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1764947290644_123
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s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

Delete the bullet point a)

What should we change it to?

one sentence Doors forming part of an egress route shall be provided with a vision panel or side light with its bottom edge not higher than 900 mm.

Why should we change it?

There is only one bullet point, so it is a single sentence.

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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1764947544001_767
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s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Add a bullet point to the horizontal exits.

What should we change it to?

) provided with emergency lighting (add whatever parameters, such as the 200 lux noted elsewhere).

Why should we change it?

There should be emergency lighting at the horizontal exit.

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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
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1764947654093_193
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s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Last sentence mentions locks.

What should we change it to?

Unknown.

Why should we change it?

What is the intent? Can a door be equipped with a lock, or not have a lock installed? May also encounter electromagnetic locking devices. Provide further clarification of intent.

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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1764947852450_557
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s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clarify the intent of the first clause a)

What should we change it to?

to and from all areas within a floor area of a building

Why should we change it?

Is the intent that all areas of a floor area within a building need to be accessible? The current wording states that only access to the floor is required. I've had discussions with architects in which they want to provide access to the floor only, and not throughout a floor area. Provide clarification.

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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
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12.3.1
Item id
1764947943254_19
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s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

200 Lux

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

Similar note provided previously. Clarify the 200 lux, similar to the NBC.

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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
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12.3.1
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1764948149396_312
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s12.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

Clause a)

What should we change it to?

Unknown

Why should we change it?

Specifying two maximum distances is confusing. To me, you can only have one maximum distance. The noted distances may exceed the travel distances in the NBC. Provide clarification as to the intent.

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12.3.2 Exterior egress path of travel
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12.3.2
Item id
1764948303018_1
Heading id
s23.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

NFPA 72

What should we change it to?

Delete

Why should we change it?

Why reference NFPA 72? There has been no mention of NFPA 72 in the standard.

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23.2 Standards and codes
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23.2
Submission ID
64176
Submitted by
jim@firecodesolutions.ca
Submitted on
Fri, 12/05/2025 - 10:25
Consent to contact
Yes

Individual 64189's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
Feedback items
Item id
1764345430486_801
Heading id
s7.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

This edition of the standard does not address individual dwelling units

What should we change it to?

Delete the sentence is it is a repeat of a sentence in 7.2.

Why should we change it?

editing required

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7.3 Applications
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7.3
Item id
1764345714173_18
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

b) a sign requesting visitors who need assistance in an emergency to complete the visitors PEEP shall be posted

What should we change it to?

shall be posted in a variety of formats

Why should we change it?

to increase accessibility

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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
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1764345808875_261
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s11.4.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

c. remaining in the area of refuge

What should we change it to?

c. remaining in the area of refuge until assistance is provided

Why should we change it?

incomplete instructions

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11.4.2 During the emergency
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11.4.2
Item id
1764345989220_201
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s12.5.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

Interior stairs

What should we change it to?

add: d) include a TWSI at the top of the stairs

Why should we change it?

technical information missing

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12.5.2 Interior stairs
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12.5.2
Item id
1764346322527_255
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s17.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

An evacuation device shall be provided outside but nearby Areas of Refuge on each floor....

What should we change it to?

An evacuation device shall be provided outside but nearby Areas of Refuge and evacuation stairwells on each floor...

Why should we change it?

Clarification required that evacuation devices should be nearby evacuation stairwells.

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17.1 Evacuation devices
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17.1
Item id
1764346548386_373
Heading id
s16
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

An evacuation device shall be provided.....

What should we change it to?

The number of evacuation devices provided shall depend on: - the building use and design - the number of people identified in the PEEPs that require an evacuation device

Why should we change it?

Information was missing on the number of devices required.

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17. Safety equipment
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17.
Item id
1764346679174_682
Heading id
s20.1.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

This document provides an in-depth look at the technologies.....

What should we change it to?

Delete the sentence as that section was removed.

Why should we change it?

Editing required.

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20.1.6 Accessible emergency communication and alerting technologies
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20.1.6
Item id
1764346846952_934
Heading id
s23.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?

most of these publications are not relevant, nor were they reviewed.

What should we change it to?

delete most of the publications

Why should we change it?

inaccurate

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23.4 Publications
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23.4
Submission ID
64189
Submitted by
bettydion.bdel@gmail.com
Submitted on
Fri, 11/28/2025 - 11:21
Consent to contact
Yes

Individual 64249's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
Feedback items
Item id
1764877851685_198
Heading id
s21.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?

21.1 Types of Emergency Evacuation Devices, point 21.1.1 Manufacturers and supplies: Point A. I am recommending to take away “Plus Brake” and add “self braking system” as putting an actual brake on a chair is very counter intuitive and very dangerous and can affect the chairs use. Adding the following is recommended: Evacuation Chair should hold 440lbs or more Warranty should be lifetime warranty Arm Rest and footrest highly recommended for comfort and safety 4-point harness belt and leg restraint for extra safety FDA/ISO Certificate If we do not add these safety features, when facilities are looking for evacuation chairs they will run into very cheap and unsafe products.

What should we change it to?

21.1 Types of Emergency Evacuation Devices, point 21.1.1 Manufacturers and supplies: Point A. I am recommending to take away “Plus Brake” and add “self Adding the following is recommended: Evacuation Chair should hold 440lbs or more Warranty should be lifetime warranty Arm Rest and footrest highly recommended for comfort and safety 4-point harness belt and leg restraint for extra safety FDA/ISO Certificate If we do not add these safety features, when facilities are looking for evacuation chairs they will run into very cheap and unsafe products.

Why should we change it?

putting an actual brake on a chair is very counter intuitive and very dangerous. Can affect the chair’s use.

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21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers
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21.1.1
Submission ID
64249
Submitted by
monaarsenault@yahoo.com
Submitted on
Thu, 12/04/2025 - 15:18
Consent to contact
Yes

Individual 64254's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
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1764940714772_961
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s21.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers Canadian manufacturers offer several types of emergency evacuation chairs designed to assist people with mobility disabilities during emergencies. They include: Evacuation chairs: wheeled devices that are lightweight and foldable frames for easy storage and transportation. They have tracks or belts that enable controlled descent downstairs plus braking.

What should we change it to?

Evacuation chairs: wheeled devices that are lightweight and foldable frames for easy storage and transportation. They have tracks or belts that enable controlled descent downstairs plus braking.

Why should we change it?

I have an evacuation chair at home, and due to my condition, it was decided a device with braking aggrevated my condition, so we went with a device that had a self-braking mechnism.

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21.1 Types of emergency evacuation devices
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21.1
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1764941667719_640
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s19.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?

For whilst the questions are correct, is there way of measuring its effectiveness? The one I have at work, is much shorter, but theyinvolved me in it and made sure it worked for me. We tested multiple times to prove use. It is also review on our evacuation drills every 6 months.

What should we change it to?

It would be good to include a document reviewing its effectiveness for full time employees such as myself. This will aid with any future audits.

Why should we change it?

To make it more than a tick box exercise, which I fear is it how it can be used.

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19.2 Employee PEEP
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19.2
Submission ID
64254
Submitted by
adamnotlaw@gmail.com
Submitted on
Fri, 12/05/2025 - 08:38
Consent to contact
Yes

Individual 64280's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
Feedback items
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1765312643599_671
Heading id
s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
The definitions of "accessible" and "barrier-free"
What should we change it to?
Unify them if appropriate.
Why should we change it?
The only distinction between the two seems to be that "accessible" applies to all types of disabilities, whereas "barrier-free" is written in the draft as if it only applies to physical, sensory or cognitive disabilities (I'm not sure if this is a mistake). The two words are used interchangeably in the standard and it probably makes sense for the definitions to reflect this.
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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1765314370762_827
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s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Definition of "Accessible path of travel"
What should we change it to?
Something that isn't tautological (i.e., not defined as "without barriers") - perhaps "The accessible route within the interior or exterior environment that can be independently approached, entered, used and exited by people with disabilities"
Why should we change it?
The current definition is tautological (defining "accessible" as something that is "without barriers"), since "barrier-free" and "accessible" have nearly identical definitions.
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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1765314529445_794
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s9.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Add ASTM and CSA (and any other standards referenced here) to these abbreviations
What should we change it to?
Add abbreviations for standards
Why should we change it?
CSA, ASTM and other standards are referenced throughout ASC 2.2. These abbreviations should be clarified.
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9.2 Abbreviations
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9.2
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1765314995635_730
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Integration of PEEP with fire safety plan
What should we change it to?
Clarify if individual PEEPs for all occupants with disabilities (both visitors and employees / residents ) are formally part of the fire safety plan (and thus need to be stored with the fire safety plan, retained for the AHJ (per NFC requirements), and presumably deleted every single time a visitor with a PEEP enters and exits the building). (see NFC 2020, Sentences 2.8.2.1.(1) and 2.8.2.12.(1).)
Why should we change it?
The logistics of managing the PEEP alongside the fire safety plan are unclear, but have significant implications for how the standard would operate in practice. Since the NFC requires that fire safety plans be retained for the fire department and authorities having jurisdiction, and this standard also asks that all building occupants with disabilities fill out a PEEP every time they enter the building, there may be significant logistical challenges with managing personal information and enabling building operators to comply with the standard.
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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1765315211562_640
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s11.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
12.2(c)
What should we change it to?
replace the first instance of "building occupants" with "individuals"
Why should we change it?
personnel who are responsible for the safety of other building occupants may not necessarily be in the building at the time. For example, multiple clauses in the standard put the responsibility on a building manager or employer, who may be physically elsewhere during an emergency. The use of "building occupants" to mean different things in the same sentence is also a bit confusing, especially when that term also appears in (a).
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11.2 Interested parties
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11.2
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1765315436102_589
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Clarify which visitors need to fill out a PEEP, and in which context.
What should we change it to?
Clarify which visitors need to fill out a PEEP, and in which context.
Why should we change it?
As written, this provision would require the development of a PEEP every time a person with a disability runs errands in federal occupancies, especially mercantile occupancies that tend to be ground-level (e.g., a bank or Service Canada centre). It doesn't seem very practical and requires the disclosure of a lot of personal information that may not be critical for safety during common everyday activities.
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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
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1765315556682_115
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Positioning of employees as visitors
What should we change it to?
Treat employees as employees for PEEP purposes
Why should we change it?
It seems impractical to ask a hybrid employee to fill in a PEEP every time they show up at an office (and then change the fire safety plan, and delete all the information at the end of the day when you know the employee will return soon). The "employee" route seems to be a lot more practical since you only have to fill in the form once.
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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
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1765315910404_980
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s11.3.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Clarify how this clause will be squared with the NFC requirement that fire safety planning details must be retained for review by the fire department and the AHJ. (see NFC 2020, Sentences 2.8.2.1.(1) and 2.8.2.12.(1).)
What should we change it to?
Consider highlighting the NFC requirement that fire safety planning details must be retained for review by the fire department and AHJ. (see NFC 2020, Sentences 2.8.2.1.(1) and 2.8.2.12.(1). Readers should be aware of this. Alternatively, the PEEP could be developed through means other than the fire safety plan (e.g., employee accessibility passports noted in the ASC employment standard), which would circumvent the requirement for retaining information for the AHJ.
Why should we change it?
The ASC 2.2 requirement to not share personal information in their PEEP (which is part of the fire safety plan) with individuals other than their buddy and the building manager/floor warden is at odds with the NFC requirement to retain the information in the fire safety plan for review by the fire department and the AHJ. (see NFC 2020, Sentences 2.8.2.1.(1) and 2.8.2.12.(1). It will help for readers to be aware of this requirement so they can plan accordingly.
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11.3.5 Personal information
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11.3.5
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1765316304069_46
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Delete the line at the end of the clause that says "The fire safety plan is intended to be used during all emergency situations"
What should we change it to?
Delete the line at the end of the clause that says "The fire safety plan is intended to be used during all emergency situations"
Why should we change it?
The fire safety plan is only intended to be used during fire emergencies. The NFC, which focuses on fire, does not address non-fire emergencies.
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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1765316432021_316
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s11.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Clarify how procedures not related to fire emergencies are intended to be brought into fire safety planning
What should we change it to?
Clarify how procedures not related to fire emergencies are intended to be brought into fire safety planning
Why should we change it?
The Fire Safety Plan is intended for fire emergencies. Adding provisions for non-fire emergencies would constitute a major scope expansion that would need to be coordinated with the NFC and other provincial and territorial fire codes.
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11.1 Items Included in the fire safety plan
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11.1
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1765316666220_806
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heading-42
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Clarify the limits of the buddy's responsibility, especially as it relates to lifting, transferring and evacuating
What should we change it to?
Clarify the limits of the buddy's responsibility, especially as it relates to lifting, transferring and evacuating
Why should we change it?
Several aspects of the standard highlight the importance of choice by the person with a disability in how evacuation takes place (e.g., if they should be transferred to an evacuation device or carried down the stairs while in their mobility aid). In workplaces, the buddy has a right to refuse unsafe work or other duties, which may be at odds with the desired evacuation method.
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11.2.1.4 The role of the buddy
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11.2.1.4
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1765829683170_360
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s3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
“Accessibility Standards Canada” needs to be written with consistent casing throughout the document
What should we change it to?
change all instances of "accessibility standards Canada" to "Accessibility Standards Canada" (these are mostly in paragraph 2 and 3)
Why should we change it?
ASC's own name should be written correctly and with correct casing in its standards :)
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3.3 Disclaimer and exclusion of liability
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3.3
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1765829882268_651
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s5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
The text formatting around ASC's mandate
What should we change it to?
Distinguish it from the body text, either by indenting or italicizing or some other format
Why should we change it?
The syntax of ASC's mandate makes it difficult to see which components are part of the mandate and which are the body text. This is especially important for the line on "ASC has a critical mandate to...".
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6. Introduction
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6.
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1765830058587_509
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s6.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Paragraph 1
What should we change it to?
Either revise the language in this paragraph to align with the overview, or revise the overview to align with the standard content
Why should we change it?
Major portions of the standard are focused on areas of refuge. The design of the area of refuge is positioned early in the draft standard, highlighting its importance. This seems at odds with the content of this paragraph, which highlights the lack of willingness for people with disabilities to wait for assistance.
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6.2 Overview
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6.2
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1765830262456_430
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s6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
Bullet 5 - list of who the standard attempts to mitigate risks to
What should we change it to?
Add an Oxford comma between "those assisting people with disabilities" and "and emergency personnel"
Why should we change it?
Under the current syntax, the comma separating people with disabilities from those assisting them behaves more as a colon: it implies that "those assisting people with disabilities and emergency personnel" is a description of people with disabilities. An Oxford comma will clarify that "those assisting people with disabilities and emergency personnel" are intended as list elements, rather than as a description of people with disabilities in this specific context.
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7. Scope
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7.
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1765830403335_410
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s6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Bullet 5
What should we change it to?
Either clarify somewhere in the standard how the standard mitigates risk to those helping people with disabilities and emergency personnel, or reduce the scope of the standard to only explicitly address people with disabilities.
Why should we change it?
It's not clear how the provisions in the standard mitigate risks to those assisting people with disabilities and emergency personnel. The content of the standard should be consistent with its scope.
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7. Scope
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7.
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1765830851798_773
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s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Application of the standard
What should we change it to?
Clarify (somewhere) if the intent is to apply all of the provisions in the same way to all buildings. This change might be more appropriate in the context of specific technical provisions.
Why should we change it?
The risk is not the same for all buildings; requirements should be calibrated in some way based on this. For example, the NBC has specific requirements for tall buildings to address their higher risk compared to a 1-storey strip plaza (e.g., Service Canada desk) where the risk is much, much lower. The risk profile for federal prisons in rural areas with volunteer fire departments would similarly be expected to differ from a bank next door to a fire station. The standard should reflect this somehow.
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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
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1765830950861_193
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s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Application lines
What should we change it to?
Consider removing clauses c and d
Why should we change it?
Adding specificity causes the application to lose robustness. Site-built, factory-constructed and single-stairwell buildings are captured under the "all buildings" provisions in Clauses a and b. The presence of clause d leads the reader to second-guess if the standard also applies to dual-exit-stairwell buildings.
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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
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1765831296102_363
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s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
The line that says "In the event of conflict between the Standard’s provisions and those of a referenced document, the more stringent provisions shall apply. Provisions of a referenced document do not supersede provisions of this Standard."
What should we change it to?
- remove the last sentence - clarify what you mean by "more stringent"
Why should we change it?
It is incorrect to say that provisions of a referenced document do not supersede provisions in this standard. Where an authority having jurisdiction has legislated a referenced document (e.g., a building code), those are the provisions that should supersede. In the case of "more stringent", this is difficult to evaluate in practice because the standard does not clarify the intent of its provisions. For example, Clause 12.7.2 a (requiring a clear width of 1200 mm between handrails on ramps) is incompatible with CSA B651-23 requirements that handrails should be 1000 mm apart. The ASC guidance is more stringent from the perspective of providing enough width for a person using a mobility aid to pass through, while the CSA guidance is more stringent from the perspective of ensuring the handrails are close enough to allow a person to hold both of them and use them for safer and easier mobility. Clarifying the intent of each provision in this standard would make it easier for a reader to reconcile conflicts and relative stringency.
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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
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1765831378604_90
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s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
The last line on sprinklering
What should we change it to?
Consider removing it
Why should we change it?
The fit is awkward. Sprinklering is never the only solution, and the NBC and NFC both recognize it. It feels a bit awkward under "inclusions".
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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
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1765831468572_469
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s7.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Consider integrating this content with 7.1 and 7.2 as relevant
What should we change it to?
Consider integrating this content with 7.1 and 7.2 as relevant
Why should we change it?
It's confusing to see a section on "applications" in addition to "inclusions" and "exclusions. The applications element seems relevant to 7.1 (Inclusions) and would be more appropriately positioned there.
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7.3 Applications
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7.3
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1765831512545_267
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s7.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Consider merging this with section 9
What should we change it to?
Consider merging this with section 9
Why should we change it?
IT's not clear why distinct sections are needed for "terminology" and "definitions". They mean the same thing.
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7.4 Terminology
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7.4
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1765831708220_216
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s9.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
The definition of mobility device
What should we change it to?
Clarify what you mean by "mobility"
Why should we change it?
Strictly speaking, a mobility device could include a mobile phone, or a device for mobility between cities or communities. It would help to clarify that the goal and focus are assistance with safe and independent ambulation, transferring, or travelling between 2 proximal locations. (or other words to that effect.
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9.1 Definitions
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9.1
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1765832172395_268
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s9
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
The overview of this section
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying the purpose and what a reader is supposed to do with and learn from the information
Why should we change it?
The purpose of Section 10 isn't entirely clear. Beginning the section with an overview of the NFC leads a reader to feel like it's sufficient to comply with the NFC and move on, which (I suspect) isn't the intent). The introductory language is useful, but the purpose of the overall section needs to be introduced as well.
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10. Emergency egress for people with disabilities
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10.
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1765832593335_974
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heading-31
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
Title of section
What should we change it to?
Remove "types of"
Why should we change it?
The section doesn't explain the types of emergencies requiring horizontal evacuation. Alternatively, you could keep the existing title and include examples of types of emergencies requiring horizontal evacuation.
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10.1.1.4 Types of emergencies requiring horizontal evacuation
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10.1.1.4
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1765832758106_21
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s10
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
The scope of the section
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying what the scope is, and whether non-fire emergencies are included.
Why should we change it?
The entire section depends on the Fire Safety Plan, but most of the general emergencies in Section 10 go beyond fire emergencies. The fire safety plan, as far as the NFC is concerned, is limited to fire emergencies. Clarifying the intended scope of this section will help a reader determine how non-fire emergencies should be handled and if different actions are needed.
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11. Practices and procedures
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11.
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1765832917715_914
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Clause r
What should we change it to?
Consider removing it or integrating with clause p
Why should we change it?
Clause p already tells the reader to confirm that areas of refuge comply with Clause 12.1. There is no need to duplicate it in Clause r.
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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1765833156008_605
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s11.2.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Consider adding roles for: 1) the building manager, 2) the manager or supervisor of a person with a disability, and 3) other building occupants who aren't buddies.
What should we change it to?
Consider adding roles for: 1) the building manager, 2) the manager or supervisor of a person with a disability, 3) other building occupants who aren't buddies, and 4) front desk employees and/or security.
Why should we change it?
These parties are referenced later in the standard in pretty significant ways, so a common area to see their role would be helpful. This will also help reduce some of the confusion downstream on which responsibilities are that of the emergency warden vs building manager vs security personnel vs the person's employer.
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11.2.1 Roles and responsibilities of the various interested parties
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11.2.1
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1765833268903_814
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heading-39
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Consider reviewing the role of the emergency warden for feasibility.
What should we change it to?
Consider reviewing the role of the emergency warden for feasibility.
Why should we change it?
This section puts a lot of responsibility on emergency wardens over matters that depend on people with disabilities having disclosed their disability and filled in a PEEP. I don’t think this is always a realistic expectation, especially in areas that provide a lot of customer service and have a lot of visitors (e.g., banks, Service Canada centres, Parks Canada information bureaus, and other mercantile occupancies). For a warden to deliver on this responsibility, they would need to ask all visitors if they have a disability – and if so, have they filled in a PEEP.
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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
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1765833521248_176
Heading id
heading-39
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
The expectations of a warden for clause f
What should we change it to?
Clarify whether a warden needs to be able to provide these services immediately, or how much of a delay is acceptable.
Why should we change it?
The current phrasing isn't entirely clear on how quickly these services need to be obtained. "Immediately" versus "with some delay" has major implications for how this requirement would operationalize in practice.
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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
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1765833590248_416
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heading-39
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
clause f
What should we change it to?
Reword to "Know where to obtain assistive devices, and the services of sign language interpreters and translators."
Why should we change it?
The current phrasing is a bit awkward
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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
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1765833893539_815
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heading-40
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause b (alongside the overall procedure)
What should we change it to?
Consider removing the expectation that first responders will review every single PEEP once they've arrived on-scene in an emergency
Why should we change it?
Given the fire department's primary responsibility of fire suppression, it seems unlikely that all firefighters on scene will take the time to review every single PEEP in detail.
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11.2.1.2 The role of the first responder(s)
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11.2.1.2
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1765834080201_436
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heading-41
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Clarify if the roles are different for employees versus visitors
What should we change it to?
Clarify if the roles are different for employees versus visitors
Why should we change it?
There are several good ideas here, but they may not be practical for visitors to discuss with a warden and a buddy, especially if a new PEEP is developed every time a visitor enters the building. In the case of a visitor going to a bank for daily banking or performing other errands in federally-regulated buildings where they are unlikely to leave the entrance level, it may be more practical to consider a reduced set of responsibilities.
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11.2.1.3 The role of the person with a disability
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11.2.1.3
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1765834186424_104
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s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
paragraph 3
What should we change it to?
clarify that the fire safety plan required by the NFC is intended for fire emergencies - or, strike the line altogether
Why should we change it?
The current phrasing implies that the fire safety plan required by the NFC applies to all types of emergencies, which is not entirely accurate.
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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
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1765834478936_110
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s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Paragraph 4
What should we change it to?
PEEPs shall be developed for each person who requests assistance for emergency egress.
Why should we change it?
The current phrasing implies that people who identify as having a disability prepare a PEEP, which is different from "people who are willing to disclose a disability to their employer or host site and collaborate on safer options for egress". A person who identifies as having a disability but is unwilling to disclose it would presumably not develop a PEEP. It probably makes more sense to focus PEEPs on those who ask for them.
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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
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1765834678270_869
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s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
11.3.1(a)
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying the provision as it relates to: 1) Telework employees and contractors (e.g., if an employee is teleworking from a house or multi-unit residential building without an onsite superintended, is their employer responsible for finding them an onsite buddy and backup buddy? Or does this responsibility go to the (non-existent) floor warden? 2) Hybrid employees who are present 1,4 or 5 days / week, and employees who work on a different schedule (e.g., banks that provide service on Saturdays).
Why should we change it?
The type of employee intended to be captured by the employee PEEP form isn't clear. If the goal is to develop different requirements for hybrid employees than for 100%-onsite employees, then consider removing the "2-3 days/week" language for clarity and to avoid excluding people who are in on different days and times.
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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
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1765834779102_232
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s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
The line that says "there are two types of PEEP forms"
What should we change it to?
Either revise the line to "There are specific PEEP forms for two different types of occupants with disabilities:" ...or, change clauses (a) and (b) to lead off with "A form for a person who..."
Why should we change it?
People aren't PEEP forms :)
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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
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1765835093761_657
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s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
The expectations around which types of visitors fill in a PEEP form, and how often, and under which circumstances
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying the expectations noted above
Why should we change it?
Currently the draft standard doesn't distinguish between a visitor working on the roof of a 35-storey-building, and a visitor going to the bank for daily banking (or running other types of errands in federal mercantile occupancies that are low-risk with respect to being able to evacuate). The form in Annex B implies that the form would need to be filled out every time a visitor enters the building, which could get really cumbersome really quickly - for some, it will take longer to fill in the form and coordinate emergency measures than to just run the errand and leave. As another example, the current wording would require a visitor to Gatineau Park to fill in a PEEP form for the specific visitor's centre that they only enter for the purpose of purchasing a trail pass. The process of filling in the form for the visitor's centre exceeds the time to purchase the trail pass and leave.
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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
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11.3.1
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1765835200893_52
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s11.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
The first sentence, which says "A person with a disability together with their manager, and those responsible for the safe evacuation procedures for the building shall"
What should we change it to?
Clarify who is in charge: the manager and others responsible for safe evacuation procedures, or the floor warden (per Clause 11.2.3.1., which delegates this responsibility to the floor warden and does not include the manager)
Why should we change it?
Consider clarifying responsibilities - this will help people to implement the standard as intended. :)
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11.3.2 Employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans
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11.3.2
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1765835299888_727
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s11.3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
The line that says "The person responsible for developing the fire safety plan for the facility, together with the person with a disability and their buddy shall meet to develop a personalized evacuation plan. "
What should we change it to?
Consider making this consistent with the delegation of responsibility in Clause 11.3.2., which delegates part of the responsibility to the person's manager.
Why should we change it?
It will be easier for an employer to apply the standard as intended if the delegation of responsibilities is internally consistent within the standard :)
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11.3.3 How to prepare employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans (PEEP)
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11.3.3
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1765835398422_673
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s11.3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Is the backup buddy expected to participate in this process?
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying if the backup buddy expected to participate in this process
Why should we change it?
The current wording is unclear. A backup buddy should be aware of the appropriate procedures that are relevant to their role. It will also be important to include them to help ensure that the back-up buddy is willing and able to execute the desired procedures without putting themselves at undue risk.
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11.3.3 How to prepare employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans (PEEP)
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11.3.3
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1765835480205_72
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s11.3.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Several elements of this clause duplicate 11.3.2.
What should we change it to?
Consider reducing the duplication of information between 11.3.2., so that the purpose of each clause (and the associated delegation of responsibility) is more clear
Why should we change it?
Reducing duplicated information will help with clarity.
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11.3.3 How to prepare employee Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans (PEEP)
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11.3.3
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1765835841724_603
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s11.3.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Consider merging clauses 11.3.4 and 11.3.5, or remove the last sentence of Clause 11.3.4 on personal information
What should we change it to?
Consider merging clauses 11.3.4 and 11.3.5, or remove the last sentence of Clause 11.3.4 on personal information
Why should we change it?
Clause 11.3.5. essentially duplicates the last sentence of 11.3.4. It will be cleaner to merge them somewhere.
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11.3.4 Information to be included in the employee PEEP
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11.3.4
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1765836136841_856
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Consider clarifying how this section would be executed if a check-in or security desk isn't present or conveniently located.
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying how this section would be executed if a check-in or security desk isn't present or conveniently located.
Why should we change it?
The current language assumes that a conveniently-located visitor check-in or security desk is present, which isn't always the case.
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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
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1765836264581_283
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Consistency among Clause 11.3.1 versus 11.3.6 - 11.3.1 is written such that all visitors are required to fill in a PEEP - 11.3.6 presents the need to fill in a visitor PEEP as optional
What should we change it to?
Consider making the expectations of a visitor to fill in a PEEP more consistent across these clauses and the entire standard.
Why should we change it?
It will be easier for visitors to comply with the standard if the expectations within the standard are clear and consistent within the document. :)
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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
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1765836572399_105
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Is an expectation of communicating the information from the front desk to the warden responsible for overall safety, and how would the PEEP form be brought into fire safety planning (if at all)?
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying if there is an expectation of communicating the information from the front desk to the warden responsible for overall safety, and how the PEEP form would be brought into fire safety planning (if at all)
Why should we change it?
Clause 11 puts the warden in charge of managing the fire safety planning, while this clause 11.3.6. doesn't address that responsibility. Clarity on how these responsibilities fit together will help all the involved parties understand their roles more effectively.
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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
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1765836835614_306
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Clause c.iv. states that staff at the check-in or security desk shall be familiar with alerting systems and communication requirements detailed in the Visitor PEEP
What should we change it to?
Consider lessening the pressure and expectations on check-in and security staff with respect to knowledge of visitor PEEP requirements
Why should we change it?
Check-in and security staff are unlikely to know the needs of the visitor before they arrive. This will make it challenging to implement this clause in practice, unless staff can be trained in advance in ASL, how to use all forms of assistive technologies and specialized equipment, and other devices relevant to a visitor that the site itself may not have in advance. I don't think the clause, as written, is a realistic expectation of front-desk staff or security personnel.
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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
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1765837027029_544
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Consider clarifying expectations for retention of visitor PEEP forms (per paragraph 2 and clause 19.3)
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying expectations for retention of visitor PEEP forms (per paragraph 2 and clause 19.3)
Why should we change it?
Clause 19.3 states that visitor PEEPs shall be destroyed when the visitor leaves the building. It is unclear how this would be executed in practice, especially for habitual visitors to mercantile occupancies.
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11.3.6 Visitors
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11.3.6
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1765837150573_591
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
paragraph 1
What should we change it to?
Consider removing the line on "before an emergency occurs" and replacing with something like "early in a person's employment period" or something else to that effect
Why should we change it?
You have no control over when an emergency occurs. The goal (I suspect) is to fill in the form early in a person's employment period or before/early in their visit).
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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
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1765837280664_245
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Paragraph 1
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying if this applies to visitors
Why should we change it?
The content is written such that it is more relevant to employees. Many of the procedures in this section may be a bit excessive for a visitor running errands at federal mercantile occupancies - the time to recruit and train a buddy and backup buddy will exceed that for the visitor to just complete their errand and leave).
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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
Item id
1765837416627_279
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Paragraph 2
What should we change it to?
Consider clarifying across the entire standard who is responsible for buddy recruitment. - Clause 11.2.1.1. assigns this responsibility to the floor warden - clause 11.3.2 assigns this responsibility to the employee's manager - the current clause assigns the responsibility to the building manager
Why should we change it?
It will be easier for people to comply with the standard if the roles and responsibilities of the various interested parties are clear and consistent. :)
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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
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1765837690285_911
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heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
paragraph 2, sentence 2 (which requires the building manager to provide the buddy service if nobody volunteers)
What should we change it to?
Consider reducing the expectation on the building manager, especially if the expectation is for the building manager to be a buddy themselves if nobody else volunteers.
Why should we change it?
The building manager may not be able or willing to act as a buddy, depending on the expectations of the person with a disability with respect to assisting with evacuation and the volume of requests (e.g., if the manager has to be a buddy for 5 people simultaneously). This sounds like a major expansion of responsibilities of building managers, and also assumes a certain level of ability of the manager (e.g., being able to lift someone down the stairs in their mobility device) that may not be appropriate.
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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
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1765838116104_495
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heading-54
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
Consider integrating this section with the upstream content on developing a PEEP (11.3.2/11.3.3)
What should we change it to?
Consider integrating this section with the upstream content on developing a PEEP (11.3.2/11.3.3)
Why should we change it?
All of these details are relevant to the development of a PEEP. They are also relevant to during an emergency, but should be addressed before an emergency occurs.
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11.4.1.3 Requirements and guidelines for persons (buddies) assisting a person with a disability
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11.4.1.3
Item id
1765838289524_972
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heading-54
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause d (guidance on lifting)
What should we change it to?
Consider removing it - instead direct the reader to relevant occupational safety guidelines, or don't address it at all
Why should we change it?
There are many other safety considerations for lifting that a person needs to be aware of (e.g., occupational load limits of 23 kg), that are not covered in this draft standard. It may be easier to stay up to date by directing the reader to the CCOHS guidance or something similar).
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11.4.1.3 Requirements and guidelines for persons (buddies) assisting a person with a disability
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11.4.1.3
Item id
1765838453151_656
Heading id
heading-54
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause g (evacuating an occupant while in their wheelchair)
What should we change it to?
consider removing this clause altogether
Why should we change it?
sentence (1) already specifies that the buddy and the person with a disability will collaborate on determining the best way to safely evacuate. The matter of evacuating while in a wheelchair would presumably come up in that discussion, which needs to consider the capabilities of the buddy as well as the preferences of the person with a disability
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11.4.1.3 Requirements and guidelines for persons (buddies) assisting a person with a disability
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11.4.1.3
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1765849470263_910
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heading-61
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Provisions for minimum number of areas of refuge
What should we change it to?
Consider being more explicit about what these are, perhaps with a table that shows minimum numbers for different numbers of exits, types of building uses and anticipated visitors.
Why should we change it?
The current formula does not clarify what a designer should do to meet ASC 2.2's criteria for safety. It will be easier for a designer to comply with intended safety goals with clarity on how to handle numbers of exits, building uses, visitors, and other parameters that influence demand for an area of refuge.
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12.1.1.1 Number of areas of refuge
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12.1.1.1
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1765850817878_465
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s12.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
language around "accessible exit and egress path of travel"
What should we change it to?
"accessible exit and accessible egress path of travel"
Why should we change it?
"accessible egress path of travel" is a defined term, while "accessible exit is not". The suggested phrasing will avoid breaking up a defined term with a non-defined term and improve clarity for a reader.
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12.1.1 Application
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12.1.1
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1765850910392_445
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s12.1.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause (a)
What should we change it to?
Integrate the location information with the "location" clause in 12.1.2
Why should we change it?
It will help with clarity to keep location information in the same clause.
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12.1.3 General
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12.1.3
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1765851013323_283
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s12.1.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause a and b
What should we change it to?
consider noting the specific clauses in NFPA 105 and CSA/ASC B651 that you are referencing within ASC 2.2
Why should we change it?
Clarifying the relevant clauses in NFPA 105 and CSA/ASC B651 will remove a source of confusion for a reader; help clarify the intent of the ASC 2.2 committee; and help increase the likelihood of a designer successfully complying with the standard.
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12.1.4 Doors serving an area of refuge
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12.1.4
Item id
1765851202584_849
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s12.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Consider including images to show a reader, holistically, what a compliant area of refuge would look like and where these would be positioned on a storey.
What should we change it to?
Consider including images to show a reader, holistically, what a compliant area of refuge would look like and where these would be positioned on a storey.
Why should we change it?
Several requirements within clause 12.1 are not compatible with each other, or duplicated (more on that within my specific comments for areas of refuge). An image would help clarify the intent of these requirements to a reader, and also help the ASC 2.2 technical committee identify opportunities to revise incompatible requirements and improve clarity and compliance :)
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12.1 Areas of refuge
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12.1
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1765851404230_997
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s12.1.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Consider providing an image to show a reader what this space would look like and how the components fit together
What should we change it to?
As above, consider adding an image
Why should we change it?
Some of the requirements are not compatible with each other - Clause (f) restricts protrusions, while clause 12.1.4(c) requires the provision of a power door operator, which would presumably protrude. The same holds for a requirement for a communication system in 12.1.7. Illustrating how clauses a, b and c fit together will also help show a designer what a compliant space looks like.
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12.1.5 Interior of areas of refuge
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12.1.5
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1765851535732_382
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s12.1.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
syntax of clause a
What should we change it to?
simplify the syntax - something like "provide a minimum of two non-overlapping waiting spaces with a minimum floor area of 900 mm x 1500 mm" (assuming that's what the committee intends)
Why should we change it?
the current syntax is a bit confusing - it's not entirely clear what the requirement is asking a designer to do
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12.1.5 Interior of areas of refuge
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12.1.5
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1765851649426_317
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s12.1.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause b
What should we change it to?
please clarify the intended space provision (e.g., "include a turning circle with a minimum radius of 2100 mm that does not overlap with the waiting spaces in clause (a)")
Why should we change it?
The language in the provision does not clarify what space needs to be provided, and why.
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12.1.5 Interior of areas of refuge
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12.1.5
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1765851749567_626
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s12.1.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause b
What should we change it to?
clarify if the intended turning space dimensions are the radius of the circle, or the diameter
Why should we change it?
Most other standards describe turning diameters. A 2100 mm radius is very large - 4.2 m diameter circle, in addition to the waiting areas. I'm not aware of any wheelchairs that are 4 m long, let alone humans. If this is indeed the intent, an image to clarify would be extremely helpful, since the use of "radius" instead of "diameter" is inconsistent with the language in other standards.
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12.1.5 Interior of areas of refuge
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12.1.5
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1765851866478_875
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s12.1.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause d (minimum illumination)
What should we change it to?
consider removing
Why should we change it?
the clause duplicates clause 12.1.3c
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12.1.5 Interior of areas of refuge
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12.1.5
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1765852022458_242
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s12.1.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause f
What should we change it to?
consider clarifying if there are any relaxations on the protrusion requirements (e.g., heights where they are acceptable; allowable depths). Note that CSA B651 and the NBC have language on this, permitting small (100 mm) protrusions, as well as protrusions low enough to be cane-detectable or with some kind of cane-detectable fixture underneath a higher protrusion.
Why should we change it?
The language, as written, would prohibit the installation of a power door operator (required by clause 12.1.4(c), a communication system required by clause 12.1.7, and other useful features for accessibility (e.g., benches). Some relaxation on the existing language is needed for these required accessibility features to exist in the area of refuge.
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12.1.5 Interior of areas of refuge
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12.1.5
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1765852097766_685
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s12.1.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Consider integrating with clause 12.1.5
What should we change it to?
Consider integrating with Clause 12.1.5
Why should we change it?
There are several duplicated requirements that take away from clarity. A consolidated clause, perhaps with an image to illustrate the intent of the technical committee, would help with clarity.
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12.1.6 Clear waiting space
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12.1.6
Item id
1765852153644_633
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s12.1.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
clause (a)
What should we change it to?
consider removing
Why should we change it?
clause 12.1.5 already states the requirements for the path of travel serving the clear waiting space. It is confusing to duplicate the requirement.
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12.1.6 Clear waiting space
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12.1.6
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1765852287047_530
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s12.1.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause f
What should we change it to?
- consider integrating with clause 12.1.5(e), which requires the provision of backup power - move the integrated requirement to "general" (clause 12.1.3)
Why should we change it?
The current language reads more like a general requirement that is suitable for clause 12.1.3. It is unlikely that a lighting or ventilation system could be focused exclusively on the clear space and not the rest of the area of refuge.
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12.1.6 Clear waiting space
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12.1.6
Item id
1765852360931_781
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s12.1.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clarify acceptable dimensions of this system, considering the restriction on protrusions in 12.1.5(f)
What should we change it to?
clarify acceptable dimensions of this system, considering the restriction on protrusions in 12.1.5(f)
Why should we change it?
clause 12.1.5(f) prohibits protrusions, which is incompatible with the existence of communication systems as they are currently described in this provision.
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12.1.7 Areas of refuge communication
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12.1.7
Item id
1765852439468_167
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s12.1.8
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
requirements for 2 signs
What should we change it to?
consider removing the requirement for a sign on a door, and limit it to the sign on a wall If you want to keep both, it would help to clarify why both are necessary and how they are different
Why should we change it?
It is unclear why 2 signs are needed that communicate the same information in the same place.
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12.1.8 Signage
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12.1.8
Item id
1765852508889_703
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s12.1.8
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
design requirements for the additional sign in sentence 2
What should we change it to?
Clarify the exact provisions that a reader should follow in CSA/ASC B651
Why should we change it?
It will be easier for a designer to comply with the standard, and for an enforcement body to enforce the standard, if the relevant requirements from CSA/ASC B651 are clarified.
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12.1.8 Signage
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12.1.8
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1765852539655_514
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s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
sentence 1
What should we change it to?
correct "NFC" to "NBC"
Why should we change it?
minimum door widths are in the building code, not the fire code
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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1765852741186_710
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clarify if the "egress route" is the same as the "accessible egress path of travel"
What should we change it to?
clarify if the "egress route" is the same as the "accessible egress path of travel"
Why should we change it?
The clause uses both terms and it is unclear if it is referring to the same thing (especially because the clause jumps back and forth between the two).
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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1765852859792_945
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
the first instance of clause (a)
What should we change it to?
either re-add a clause (b) that appears to be missing, or finish the sentence and merge with the preceding line, such as "Doors forming part of an egress route shall be providing with a vision panel..."
Why should we change it?
It will be easier for a reader to comply with the standard if the distinction between accessible egress paths of travel versus egress routes is clarified.
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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1765852948226_882
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
requirement for contrast strips on doors in an egress route
What should we change it to?
clarify if this is necessary where kick plates are installed (required for doors part of an accesslbe egress path of travel)
Why should we change it?
once a kick plate is installed, the door is presumably no longer transparent. It is unclear if high contrast strips would still be needed.
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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1765853077647_780
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
requirement to not lock entrance and exit doors (last sentence in this clause)
What should we change it to?
remove the provision, or clarify where locked doors are acceptable
Why should we change it?
Federally-regulated buildings include federal prisons and detention facilities; CSIS; the RCMP; banks; and many other spaces (perhaps including ASC's own building) where a lock on the door is reasonable and necessary. Would an exit-only lock or a lock that disengages in emergencies be acceptable? Many buildings lock their doors, especially at night, for safety reasons - I do not think that a ban on locking entrance/exit doors will gain popular support.
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12.2 Exit doors
Heading number portion
12.2
Item id
1765853137027_280
Heading id
s12.2.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
requirement for power door operation
What should we change it to?
consider removing it here or in the preceding clause
Why should we change it?
There is no need to duplicate the detail that exit doors require power door operators
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12.2.1 Power door operators on horizontal exit doors
Heading number portion
12.2.1
Item id
1765853443437_907
Heading id
s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
line regarding compliance with CSA/ASC B651 clauses (sentence 1)
What should we change it to?
Consider stating the specific CSA/ASC B651 clauses for a reader to comply with
Why should we change it?
It will help with compliance and enforcement if the CSA/ASC B651 clauses that are relevant to this provision are clarified. Otherwise, the reader is left to judge for themselves in a way that may not be consistent with the intent of the ASC 2.2 technical committee.
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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.3.1
Item id
1765853554067_997
Heading id
s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause b (protrusions)
What should we change it to?
clarify if there are relaxations for allowable protrusions installed below 2100 mm above the ground (e.g., protrusions up to 100 mm from the wall are acceptable)
Why should we change it?
A relaxation on the protrusion requirements is needed to permit power door operators, handrails, manual stations, communication systems, tactile signage, and other critical safety and accessibility features.
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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.3.1
Item id
1765853665000_596
Heading id
s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
the second instance of clause (a)
What should we change it to?
clarify if slopes above 1:25 are permitted if the path is designed as a ramp
Why should we change it?
the current language is unclear as to whether ramps are permitted as part of the interior egress path of travel, despite being required fixtures elsewhere in the draft standard.
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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.3.1
Item id
1765853752014_96
Heading id
s12.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
sentence 1 (slope and cross-slope requirement)
What should we change it to?
clarify the exact CSA/ASC B651 provisions that are relevant to this clause
Why should we change it?
clarifying the specific CSA/ASC B651 provisions will help with compliance and enforcement in accordance with the intent of the ASC 2.2 technical committee.
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12.3.2 Exterior egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.3.2
Item id
1765853817814_789
Heading id
s12.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause (a)
What should we change it to?
clarify the exact maximum distance
Why should we change it?
the current provision, which provides a range between 45-60 m, does not clarify the exact maximum limits. It is unclear to a reader whether a distance of 50 m would be permitted.
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12.3.2 Exterior egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.3.2
Item id
1765853914592_970
Heading id
s12.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause (c)
What should we change it to?
consider removing or clarifying the intent
Why should we change it?
a minimum illumination level of 200 lx sounds really bright, especially at night. Is the goal for this path to be illuminated to 200 lx at all points at all times and weather conditions?
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12.3.2 Exterior egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.3.2
Item id
1765854062254_618
Heading id
s12.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause b
What should we change it to?
consider giving the reader a bit more guidance than "free of barriers" - perhaps reference specific CSA/ASC B651 provisions
Why should we change it?
telling a reader to make the space "free of barriers" leaves a lot of judgment to the reader as to what is required. If the goal is to standardize the accessibility of the exterior egress path of travel, providing more clarity on what constitutes "free of barriers" would help.
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12.3.2 Exterior egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.3.2
Item id
1765854166711_596
Heading id
s12.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
consider removing the minimum dimensions for the muster point
What should we change it to?
consider removing the minimum dimensions for the muster point
Why should we change it?
It is unclear why minimum dimensions are needed for a space that it outside.
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12.4 Muster points
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12.4
Item id
1765854236044_828
Heading id
s12.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause b
What should we change it to?
consider removing
Why should we change it?
signage is already required for the muster point, per sentence 3. It is unclear why this information needs to be duplicated on the ground.
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12.4 Muster points
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12.4
Item id
1765854302934_564
Heading id
s12.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
sentence (5) on benches or seating for the muster point
What should we change it to?
consider removing this line
Why should we change it?
clause (a) already states the need for benches :)
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12.4 Muster points
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12.4
Item id
1765854610128_164
Heading id
s12.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
explanatory note on single stairs
What should we change it to?
Move the content to clause 12.1.1 (number of areas of refuge), and position it in the body of the standard rather than as a note. As well, clarify if the relaxation on the number of areas of refuge also applies to non-single-stairwell buildings. Presumably these buildings are less risky than single-egress-stairs, suggesting that relaxations provided for single-egress-stair buidings should also be provided for multi-egress-stair buildings.
Why should we change it?
Moving the content in the note (on areas of refuge) to the portion of the standard addressing areas of refuge will help with clarity and consistency. Moving the note to the body of the standard will provide absolute clarity that it's meant as a requirement (consistent with the use of the word "shall" in the note) Moving the note to the clause 12.1.1 will also help the technical committee clarify if they intended to provide relaxations for single-egress-stair buildings but not multi-egress-stair buildings that are presumably less risky.
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12.5 Stairs
Heading number portion
12.5
Item id
1765854682290_227
Heading id
s12.5.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
sentence 1 restates the requirement to comply with CSA/ASC B651, which is also in clause 12.5 and applies to all stairs.
What should we change it to?
consider removing this requirement from clause 12.5.1
Why should we change it?
It is confusing to see the same requirement duplicated within clause 12.5
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12.5.1 Exterior stairs on accessible egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.5.1
Item id
1765854743241_372
Heading id
s12.5.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
sentence 1 - requirement for exterior stairs to be designed in accordance with interior stairs
What should we change it to?
consider correcting to "exterior stairs"
Why should we change it?
It is unclear why exterior stairs need to be designed to comply with interior stair requirements. CSA/ASC B651 provides additional requirements for exterior stairs to address aspects like drainage, which are essential for egress routes.
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12.5.1 Exterior stairs on accessible egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.5.1
Item id
1765854970363_583
Heading id
s12.5.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Minimum number of risers in sentence (3)
What should we change it to?
clarify if the intended word is "maximum" or "minimum", and consider providing the reasoning either way
Why should we change it?
The requirement for a minimum number of risers is unclear. For a short elevation, forcing a designer to install additional short risers may create a tripping hazard.
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12.5.1 Exterior stairs on accessible egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.5.1
Item id
1765855190115_37
Heading id
s12.5.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause b
What should we change it to?
consider revising the clear width requirements for consistency with the NBC, which requires the provision of an intermediate handrail so that a user is never more than 750 mm away from the rail (see NBC 2020, Clause 3.4.6.6.(3)(a).
Why should we change it?
the current requirements for clear space in a stair in ASC 2.2 contradict NBC requirements for reachability of handrails.
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12.5.2 Interior stairs
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12.5.2
Item id
1765855263818_219
Heading id
s12.5.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause c
What should we change it to?
consider unifying with clause a and/or correcting if 3700 mm is a mistake, and perhaps provide an image to show the intent.
Why should we change it?
it is unclear why the requirement for clear height at a landing is 1.3 m higher than that of the staircase. 3.7 m high sounds really high - I don't think this is physically possible without extremely long staircases. It also sounds unnecessarily high. Regardless, an image would help clarify how these requirements fit together, if they are compatible with each other, and if/why they are needed.
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12.5.2 Interior stairs
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12.5.2
Item id
1765855373623_737
Heading id
s12.6.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
this is a really cool idea! my only comment is on where these are needed
What should we change it to?
consider clarifying if the provision of tactile information on handrails is required only for stairs in the egress path of travel spanning multiple floors, or if it applies to all handrails (including those in an assembly occupancy or within a given storey where the floor doesn't change).
Why should we change it?
Clarity will help with compliance, interpretation and enforcement
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12.6.1 Tactile information on stair and ramp handrails
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12.6.1
Item id
1765855471505_162
Heading id
s12.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause a
What should we change it to?
consider removing the line on the requirement for handrails that comply with CSA/ASC B651
Why should we change it?
Sentence 1 already states that ramps shall comply with CSA/ASC B651, which means they will have handrails. Clause 12.6 further clarifies that handrails need to be designed in accordance with CSA/ASC B651.
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12.7 Ramps
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12.7
Item id
1765855534583_647
Heading id
s12.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
consider clarifying if this applies to all handrails or just those on ramps and stairs
What should we change it to?
consider clarifying if this applies to all handrails or just those on ramps and stairs
Why should we change it?
It is common for buildings designed for accessibility to have handrails on level ground. It would be helpful if the standard clarified if these were subject to CSA/ASC B651 requirements too - and if so, which requirements.
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12.6 Handrails
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12.6
Item id
1765855646799_675
Heading id
s12.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
paragraph 2
What should we change it to?
paragraph 2 prescribes limits on non-ramp floor slope to 1:20, while Clause 12.3.1 limits this slope to 1:25. Please clarify which one is correct.
Why should we change it?
requirements for floor slope should be consistent within the standard :)
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12.7 Ramps
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12.7
Item id
1765855813883_943
Heading id
s12.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause d
What should we change it to?
consider removing the clause or provide more clarity on how and where it would be applied (e.g., do all elements of the ramp need to contrast with the surroundings, even at night in all seasons)?
Why should we change it?
The ability of a ramp to comply with the 30% luminance contrast requirement will depend heavily on the time of day (more difficult at night), the setting (interior vs exterior), and the weather (e.g., if the ground is snowy, grassy, covered with dirt for a garden, or something different). Clarity on how this should be designed and measured, perhaps with examples of what a compliant all-season ramp would look like, would be helpful.
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12.7 Ramps
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12.7
Item id
1765856033804_414
Heading id
s12.7.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause (a)
What should we change it to?
consider revising for consistency with CSA/ASC B651 clause 5.8.8 (b), which prescribes a clear width between handrails of of 920 to 1000 mm
Why should we change it?
CSA/ASC B651 prescribes a narrower width between handrails so that they can both be reached and used more easily at the same time. The ASC 2.2 requirement of a minimum clear width of 1200 mm between handrails on a ramp is at odds with this objective.
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12.7.2 Ramp handrails
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12.7.2
Item id
1765856119023_289
Heading id
s12.7.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause a
What should we change it to?
consider clarifying why the minimum clear width below the handrails is 1210 mm and not 1200 mm.
Why should we change it?
It is unclear why ramps need to be 10 mm (1 cm) wider under the handrails. Compliance and enforcement will be simplified if the two are consistent.
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12.7.2 Ramp handrails
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12.7.2
Item id
1765856177399_525
Heading id
s12
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
consider moving most of the explanatory content to an informative annex.
What should we change it to?
consider moving most of the explanatory content to an informative annex.
Why should we change it?
There is a large volume of explanatory content in this section that feels awkward among design and process requirements.
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13. Emergency communication
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13.
Item id
1765856269861_179
Heading id
s13.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
paragraph 5 ("alarm signals to evacuate occupants do not sound")
What should we change it to?
Consider correcting to clarify that these alarms do sound
Why should we change it?
This is likely a typo, but should be corrected. Note that NBC 2020, Clause 3.2.4.4(2)(b) clearly states that alarm signals to evacuate occupants do indeed sound.
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13.1.2 Two-stage system
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13.1.2
Item id
1765856323157_748
Heading id
s13.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
last sentence - reference to the NFC
What should we change it to?
Correct to clarify that technical requirements for fire alarm systems are in the NBC
Why should we change it?
The correct code for fire alarm systems should be referenced :)
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13.1.2 Two-stage system
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13.1.2
Item id
1765856625085_841
Heading id
s23.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
citations for references that are not official documents of an institution (e.g., most of the documents that reference universities)
What should we change it to?
List the authors rather than their institution For example, the publication attributed to Sunnybrook Research Institute should be attributed to: Hitzig SL, Yuzwa KE, Weichel L, Cohen E, Anderson L, Athanasopoulos P, et al. (2025) Identifying priorities and developing collaborative action plans to improve accessible housing practice, policy, and research in Canada. PLoS ONE 20(2): e0318458. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0318458
Why should we change it?
Authors from universities typically publish on behalf of themselves, not their institution. Some of the publications also include authors from multiple institutions, which is not captured in the current format.
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23.4 Publications
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23.4
Item id
1765903815227_571
Heading id
s23.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
4th citation: Canadian Association of the Deaf. 2023. Advancing Accessibility Standards for Deaf, Deaf-Blin and Hard of Hearing Canadians.
What should we change it to?
fix the typo in Deaf-Blind
Why should we change it?
editorial correction
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23.4 Publications
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23.4
Item id
1765903924707_581
Heading id
s23.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
consider clarifying that this list supplements the list of documents referenced upstream in the standard (e.g., NBC 2020, CSA/ASC B651-19)
What should we change it to?
consider clarifying that this list supplements the list of documents referenced upstream in the standard (e.g., NBC 2020, CSA/ASC B651-19)
Why should we change it?
it is unclear that this list is intended to supplement the preceding list of referenced standards
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23.2 Standards and codes
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23.2
Item id
1765904037601_121
Heading id
s22.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
organization of the content from 22.5.1 to 22.5.5
What should we change it to?
list it under a separate header or annex that addresses communication systems
Why should we change it?
the current annex 22 is about elevators, while the content from 22.5.1 to 22.5.5 deals with communication systems and appears to be unrelated (or only peripherally related) to elevators
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22.5 Occupant Evacuation Elevator
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22.5
Item id
1765904472527_671
Heading id
s20
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
structure of clause 21
What should we change it to?
consider collapsing clauses 21.1 and 21.1.1 into the larger clause 21
Why should we change it?
there doesn't seem to be enough content to necessitate distinct clauses. Also, clause 21.1.1 is called "manufacturers and suppliers" but instead lists types of emergency evacuation devices (and does not list manufacturers and suppliers).
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21. Annex D: Emergency evacuation devices for people with disabilities
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21.
Item id
1765904662639_135
Heading id
s19.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
second last row from the bottom ("Has this PEEP been developed in conjunction with you, the person you’re visiting, and the person responsible for emergency evacuation (receptionist)? If not, inform your manager.")
What should we change it to?
consider reworking to be more inclusive of visitors who do not have a manager (e.g., someone visiting a federally-regulated mercantile occupancy, like running errands at a bank and Service Canada, or visiting a loved one in prison)
Why should we change it?
Many visitors in federally-regulated buildings do not have managers
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19.3 Visitor PEEP
Heading number portion
19.3
Item id
1765920677221_507
Heading id
heading-90
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Consider the feasibility of the requirement that the building manager ensure that communication systems support the needs of all occupants, including visitors
What should we change it to?
Consider placing some limits on the building manager's responsibility to provide universally-accessible communication systems, mostly for visitors. Consider focusing the responsibility of the building manager on providing accessible communication systems for those who submitted a PEEP, perhaps in advance of their visit.
Why should we change it?
Particularly for mercantile occupancies under federal purview, the building manager is not going to know the needs of the visitors in advance. This sounds like a large volume of potential communication tools that would need to be prepared on the spot for people in relatively low-risk egress situations (e.g., day-to-day banking). It probably makes sense for some types of visits, but not for all of them. Also, unless an employee or visitor submits a PEEP, there is no way for a building manager to know their accessibility needs at all.
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13.1.4.1 Emergency communication formats
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13.1.4.1
Item id
1765920909451_178
Heading id
s13.2.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
The explanatory note
What should we change it to?
consider removing it alternatively, describe the contexts in the scope of this standard where notes on alerting systems would be useful.
Why should we change it?
the standard explicitly excludes dwelling units where you might expect people to be sleeping. Clarifying the relevance of this note to the standard, or removing it altogether, would help a reader with clarity.
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13.2.1 Alerting or signaling devices
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13.2.1
Item id
1765920968526_232
Heading id
s13.2.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
clause a
What should we change it to?
integrate with the preceding sentence
Why should we change it?
The syntax of the provision as written is awkward. It's not clear why a lone clause (a) is needed.
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13.2.2 Visible device location
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13.2.2
Item id
1765921118350_290
Heading id
s13.2.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
use of signal transmission via National Public Alert System
What should we change it to?
consider clarifying who would receive these notifications, and under what circumstances
Why should we change it?
As written, the provision implies that alerts will be transmitted to all phones any time there's an emergency in Canada. This is probably not what's intended. It would help to clarify who should receive these alerts (e.g., other building occupants?), and what kind of emergency would prompt an alert.
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13.2.3 Smart phones
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13.2.3
Item id
1765921243774_713
Heading id
s13.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause b
What should we change it to?
please clarify the acceptable level of protrusion from the wall where the emergency telephone is mounted
Why should we change it?
clause 12 explicitly prohibits protrusions below 2100 mm above the ground, which conflicts with the clause 13.3b requirement that telephones (where provided) be a maximum of 1200 mm above the ground. Flexibility is needed in one or both of these requirements to allow a telephone to be installed in a reachable location.
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13.3 Emergency telephones
Heading number portion
13.3
Item id
1765924098551_970
Heading id
s13.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause a on pre-recorded messages
What should we change it to?
consider removing OR clarify why pre-recorded messages are unacceptable
Why should we change it?
there are some circumstances where pre-recorded messages are appropriate, especially when information needs to be transmitted quickly.
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13.4 Public announcements
Heading number portion
13.4
Item id
1765924204233_356
Heading id
s13
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
every other instance in the draft standard that prescribes minimum lighting requirements
What should we change it to?
point to this clause rather than restating the 200 lx requirement in the document
Why should we change it?
This clause is really useful. There are several instances in the standard where it is restated, and it doesn't need to be - it will simplify things for a reader to just point here for all illumination matters.
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14. Illumination and emergency power
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14.
Item id
1765924363822_170
Heading id
s14
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
explanation of the purpose of this section
What should we change it to?
Consider explaining the purpose of this clause, and move the information-only portions to an annex
Why should we change it?
The purpose of clause 15 isn't clear, which makes it difficult to see how a reader should use the largely-descriptive clauses (e.g., 15.1 and 15.2). Language to explain the purpose, and moving the information-only portions to an annex, will help clarify to a reader what they need to do to meet the requirements of this standard
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15. Elevators
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15.
Item id
1765990832381_881
Heading id
s15.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
consider removing this section. if the committee disagrees, consider the two corrections below
What should we change it to?
consider removing this section. if the committee disagrees, consider the following corrections: 1) in note 1, ASME needs to be added to A17 2) in sentence 1, note that NBC 2020 references the 2016 edition, not the 2019 edition. This should be confirmed in the version that moves forward to publication.
Why should we change it?
it's not clear what it adds to the document - it doesn't give a reader additional guidance beyond the minimum code requirements they need to follow to get a building permit if the technical committee disagrees with removing it, the suggested corrections will be helpful for readers.
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15.2 Codes and standards
Heading number portion
15.2
Item id
1765990957183_238
Heading id
s15.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
note 2
What should we change it to?
consider removing it OR clarify the relevance of the listed standards
Why should we change it?
The purpose of note 2 is unclear. If the technical committee feels they are relevant, they should say so. If the technical committee has not reviewed these standards (ISO/TR 25743 and ISO/TR 8101-10) and cannot comment on their relevance, then they shouldn't be listed in the draft ASC 2.2 standard.
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15.2 Codes and standards
Heading number portion
15.2
Item id
1765991148974_871
Heading id
s15.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
last paragraph
What should we change it to?
Consider tempering the statement to "Platform lifts complying with CSA B355 are not an acceptable replacement for an OEE"
Why should we change it?
In practice, we have no control over whether an occupant attempts to use a CSA B355-compliant platform lift for evacuation. I guess signage could be used to clarify that to an occupant, but the more essential point is that these types of lifts should not be seen as a replacement for evacuation methods when the building designers are deciding on which elevator to install.
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15.3 Occupant evacuation elevators
Heading number portion
15.3
Item id
1765991349111_12
Heading id
s15.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clarity on the intent and execution of the second-last sentence (educating all occupants on an OEE)
What should we change it to?
clarify the intent and execution of the second-last sentence
Why should we change it?
I think this is an important provision, but it would help to clarify which occupants need education in which contexts, and delineate how this could be done in a practical way (e.g., sign posted by the OEE with instructions)? In practice, some occupancies (e.g., mercantile) will have many transient/short-term visitors who aren't likely to leave the entrance level and who probably don't need instruction in an OEE.
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15.3.1 Information
Heading number portion
15.3.1
Item id
1768158385612_621
Heading id
s15.4.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clarification on if handrails in the elevator can encroach on clear floor space
What should we change it to?
consider clarifying if handrails in the elevator can encroach on the clear floor space area
Why should we change it?
Elevators often have handrails for accessibility. It would be useful to clarify if these can encroach on the floor area.
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15.4.1 Space
Heading number portion
15.4.1
Item id
1768158573338_307
Heading id
s15.4.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
consider integrating with clause 15.4.1
What should we change it to?
consider integrating with clause 15.4.1
Why should we change it?
this will help clarify that the exemption is specific to clause 15.4.1 alternatively, consider referencing clause 15.4.2 in clause 15.4.1 ("except as provided in clause 15.4.2, all elevators shall..." -- this will also help provide absolute clarity that these two clauses 15.4.1 and 15.4.2 should be interpreted together.
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15.4.2 Exemption
Heading number portion
15.4.2
Item id
1768158820436_932
Heading id
s15.4.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
phrasing of the clause
What should we change it to?
"On each floor served by an OEE or an elevator designed to accommodate a stretcher, signage indicating the function of the elevator shall be provided"
Why should we change it?
The current phrasing implies that both types of elevators are required to serve each floor. Rephrasing will help clarify that the clause is intended to focus on signage.
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15.4.3 Identification
Heading number portion
15.4.3
Item id
1768158959241_480
Heading id
s15.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
consider providing an image of what constitutes "well contrasted operation button"
What should we change it to?
consider providing an image of what constitutes "well contrasted operation button"
Why should we change it?
guidance on which components of the button need contrast with respect to the surroundings will help designers understand the intent. For example, is it sufficient for the number to contrast with the background? Or does the whole button need to contrast with the general background AND the number also need to look different?
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15.5 Elevator controls
Heading number portion
15.5
Item id
1768159221673_729
Heading id
s15.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clarify if both sets of controls (front and side walls) are subject to the 1200 mm height restriction
What should we change it to?
clarify if both sets of controls (front and side walls) are subject to the 1200 mm height restriction
Why should we change it?
it is common for the side-wall controls to be lower (and occupy a larger horizontal portion of the elevator wall), while the front-wall buttons can be higher to accommodate a larger range of numbers. It may be difficult to comply with the 1200 mm maximum on the front wall for buildings with many floors, but this is less of a concern if the side wall controls are all mounted at a lower height.
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15.5 Elevator controls
Heading number portion
15.5
Item id
1768159369043_390
Heading id
s16.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
consider removing the list of types of signs
What should we change it to?
consider removing the list of types of signs
Why should we change it?
The purpose of this list isn't clear. The list of types of signs is not referred to elsewhere in the standard and does not seem to be relevant to the implementation of other provisions, so providing the list adds confusion.
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16.1 Application
Heading number portion
16.1
Item id
1768159478622_956
Heading id
s16.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
is the purpose of the note only to address LEDs, or red/blue/green and black contrast issues in general? Please clarify.
What should we change it to?
is the purpose of the note only to address LEDs, or red/blue/green and black contrast issues in general? Please clarify.
Why should we change it?
Wayfinding systems use methods other than LEDs, such as photoluminescence.
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16.1 Application
Heading number portion
16.1
Item id
1768159565191_767
Heading id
s16.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Remove the reference to ASC 2.4
What should we change it to?
Remove the reference to ASC 2.4
Why should we change it?
ASC 2.4 has not been published yet (and is thus impossible to comply with), so it's unclear why it is listed here.
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16.1 Application
Heading number portion
16.1
Item id
1768159896315_738
Heading id
s16.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
numbering of subclauses
What should we change it to?
please add numbers to subclauses
Why should we change it?
it is confusing to have 2 clause / subclause a's and b's under 16.2.
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16.2 Directional signage
Heading number portion
16.2
Item id
1768160096129_854
Heading id
s16.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause d clarification
What should we change it to?
consider clarifying how the provision of alternative accessible formats would operate in practice, and if the intent is to provide this to visitors in addition to frequent occupants of the building
Why should we change it?
Presumably the egress signs are procured and mounted inside the building before you know who the occupants are going to be, especially for visitors. As written, the language implies that a 1-time visitor could request an overhaul of building signage to be provided immediately. It would be useful to clarify the intended application of this provision and where the committee sees it applying in practice.
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16.2 Directional signage
Heading number portion
16.2
Item id
1768160417427_105
Heading id
s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
consider removing the word "plan" from the first sentence
What should we change it to?
consider removing the word "plan" from the first sentence
Why should we change it?
The provisions under 16.3 apply to a map, not to a holistic plan. To be clear, I support inclusive emergency evacuation plans, but you address these elsewhere in the standard! It is confusing to repeat here.
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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
Heading number portion
16.3
Item id
1768160572444_817
Heading id
s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
consider removing the provision that the emergency evacuation map shall address the needs of all building occupants
What should we change it to?
consider removing the provision that the emergency evacuation map shall address the needs of all building occupants
Why should we change it?
The needs of all building occupants are not known when the map is developed. This will make the requirement impossible to enforce in practice. There is already a long list of essential components of the map that covers how a designer would make the design of the map more inclusive.
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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
Heading number portion
16.3
Item id
1768160672520_949
Heading id
s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
clause p
What should we change it to?
consider providing an example of an alternate-format map in a note
Why should we change it?
an example will help a building operator understand what types of alternate format maps exist, and who they are designed to serve
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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
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16.3
Item id
1768160863257_480
Heading id
s16.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
consider clarifying how the tactile map would be installed to also comply with protrusion requirements
What should we change it to?
consider clarifying how the tactile map would be installed to also comply with protrusion requirements
Why should we change it?
Earlier clauses in the standard prohibit protrusions below 2100 mm above the ground. Tactile maps must be installed at an angle, which would require some kind of protrusion or encroachment into the floor space. Note that the NBC and CSA relaxations on protrusions - that they are ok if something is provided to make them cane-detectable at a lower height - would address this issue.
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16.4 Tactile maps
Heading number portion
16.4
Item id
1768160993751_328
Heading id
s16.5.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
remove clauses b and c, or move them elsewhere in the standard
What should we change it to?
remove clauses b and c, or move them elsewhere in the standard
Why should we change it?
these clauses are not related to signage and add confusion to the signage section
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16.5.2 Exit door signage
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16.5.2
Item id
1768415158885_920
Heading id
s17.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
clause c
What should we change it to?
clarify if this also applies to visitors - and if so, in which context
Why should we change it?
presumably the use of an evacuation device will need training between the person with a disability and their buddy. It makes sense for longer-term occupants, but may not be practical for short-term visitors to places like mercantile occupancies.
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17.1 Evacuation devices
Heading number portion
17.1
Item id
1768415821128_619
Heading id
s17.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
structure of the clause
What should we change it to?
number individual sentences
Why should we change it?
having multiple clause 17.1.a's and b's is really confusing
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17.1 Evacuation devices
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17.1
Item id
1768416652735_810
Heading id
s18.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
tone of section
What should we change it to?
consider making this a bit more inclusive and reflective of the vast range of cognitive disabilities - many people living with dementia and other cognitive disabilities are extremely independent and do not need a buddy to escort them everywhere they go. Several tools and strategies (e.g., signage, wayfinding apps) provide helpful assistance to those who want and need it.
Why should we change it?
The section is written in a way that implies that all people living with dementia or who have other disabilities (e.g., related to learning; presumably also autism and ADHD?) cannot navigate buildings without a buddy. This is incorrect and comes across (probably unintentionally) as condescending.
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18.3 People with cognitive disabilities
Heading number portion
18.3
Item id
1768416974250_968
Heading id
s18.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
consider removing this content or provide more specific guidance related to emergency egress of people with environmental sensitivities
What should we change it to?
consider removing this content or provide more specific guidance related to emergency egress of people with environmental sensitivities
Why should we change it?
I'm not clear on the usefulness of telling people to "remove [yourself] from the building as soon as possible". Otherwise, if there are relevant emergency egress considerations for people with environmental sensitivities that are unique to this circumstance, then consider noting them to improve the usefulness of this clause to a reader.
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18.5 People with environmental sensitivities
Heading number portion
18.5
Item id
1768429298667_942
Heading id
s18.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
"not uncommon" in first sentence - replace with "common" use of word "issues" in last sentence - this has a negative connotation; consider reworking the sentence to focus on emergency egress needs
What should we change it to?
"not uncommon" in first sentence - replace with "common" last sentence - rework to "The individual's PEEP should consider all of their disabilities in developing an emergency egress strategy".
Why should we change it?
double negatives are confusing - positive language is easier to understand and more concise The word "issues" in this context has a negative connotation. The larger goal is to ensure that the persons' unique needs are considered in their emergency egress plan, so the standard should just say so directly.
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18.7 People with multiple disabilities
Heading number portion
18.7
Item id
1768595630498_141
Heading id
s11.4.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
clause g
What should we change it to?
remove it, or qualify it to focus on those involved in evacuation of persons with disabilities (e.g., those involved in a PEEP)
Why should we change it?
I don't think it's practical to expect all building occupants to fill in this post-emergency review, particularly for mercantile occupancies where many occupants are one-time visitors unlikely to return 2 weeks after a drill or emergency to fill in paperwork.
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11.4.3 Post-emergency: Evaluation and improvement
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11.4.3
Item id
1768597710801_444
Heading id
s10.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Consistency of the emergency situations on this list with those addressed later in the standard
What should we change it to?
consider making them consistent
Why should we change it?
This is a long list of valid emergencies, but the actual content of the draft standard is very focused on fire emergencies. It is confusing to see this list when the standard content addresses a narrower scope. Consider making these consistent - perhaps focus on fire emergencies and remove the long list so that readers aren't confused
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10.1 Emergency situations
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10.1
Item id
1768600856365_140
Heading id
s0
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
(General comment on draft standard)
What should we change it to?
(General comment on draft standard)
Why should we change it?
I appreciate the opportunity to submit comments on this draft standard and extend my congratulations to the entire team for developing this draft. I support the development of a standard for emergency egress of people with disabilities, and all of my comments should be interpreted with this support in mind. I do have some big-picture concerns with this draft standard in its current form, and have noted some big-picture suggestions to help make the standard easier to implement and for others to comply with: 1) APPLICATION: The described application is all federally-regulated buildings, but the content seems to be more focused on office towers. Federal occupancies are broader, and include mercantile spaces with transient visitors (e.g., banks), detention centres, and other spaces where the proposed requirements do not apply cleanly (e.g., proposal for a visitor to fill in a PEEP every single time they enter a building, which is impractical for 1-storey mercantile spaces). I suggest limiting the application of the draft standard to the spaces that it was developed for, and perhaps consider other spaces in future editions. 2) CLARITY IN INTENT: In many places, I have suggested clarifying the intent of specific provisions - requirements are present but it's not clear to a reader why they are there and who they serve. Providing clarification will make it easier for a reader to comply with the standard in spirit if they cannot comply to the letter, and ultimately serve the needs of people with disabilities. 3) TYPES OF EMERGENCIES: The draft standard would benefit from focus in the emergency it is addressing. Many of the provisions focus on fire emergencies, though the scope seems to be defined for all emergencies. Consider limiting the scope to the context that the provisions are designed for: fire emergencies. Other types of emergencies can be addressed more thoroughly in future editions. 4) REFERENCES TO OTHER DOCUMENTS: The draft standard (appropriately) refers to other documents (e.g., CSA B651), and in several places makes a generic statement to the effect of "comply with relevant provisions in CSA B651". Don't make the reader guess on the intent of the technical committee; refer to specific provisions that the technical committee feels are relevant and necessary. This will increase the likelihood of a reader complying, and also help officials with enforcement if there are longer-term goals of bringing this into legislation. 5) INTERNAL CONSISTENCY AND COMPATIBILITY OF TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS: In several places I have pointed out where parts of the standard aren't consistent with each other (e.g. who is responsible for the buddy system), or where requirements cannot be complied with simultaneously (e.g., protrusion bans need to be reconciled with requirements for power door operators and other protruding safety features). I would encourage the technical committee to include more illustrations to help show (and confirm to yourselves) how requirements would exist all together in practice, as well as test-drive some of the proposed procedures to help flag consistency issues. This is the responsibility of the technical committee - it shouldn't be left to public review comments to flag major internal discrepancies. 6) CLARITY AND PUBLIC READINESS OF THE DOCUMENT: I found this draft to be extremely difficult to read, as well as to understand and comment on. It is much longer than it needs to be because several provisions are repeated unnecessarily (which also probably made it more difficult for the committee to identify internal inconsistencies). The document should undergo editing before it goes to any subsequent public reviews. Similarly, numbering clauses and having some kind of hierarchy to the provisions will help with making the standard easier to read and understand, and also make it easier for individual provisions to be cross-referenced - thus reducing some of the repetition. Images will help a reader understand the intent of the committee and thus help with compliance.
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1. Accessibility Standards Canada: About us
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1.
Item id
1768602490692_3
Heading id
s20.1.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
the last paragraph
What should we change it to?
consider moving to overall clause 20.1
Why should we change it?
This reads like an introductory paragraph that leaves a reader expecting further content on alert systems. It should be moved to introduce the alert systems listed upstream.
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20.1.6 Accessible emergency communication and alerting technologies
Heading number portion
20.1.6
Submission ID
64280
Submitted by
Vicki.Komisar@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Submitted on
Fri, 01/16/2026 - 17:31
Consent to contact
Yes

Individual 64281's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
Feedback items
Item id
1765313183349_530
Heading id
s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
spell out what NBC stands for as it is the first instance of it in the document. Consider referencing which edition in case NBC changes their definitions (ex: they have been working on alterations to existing buildings on a number of topics since 2020).
What should we change it to?
spell out NBC, specify edition year (new one coming in a few weeks)
Why should we change it?
new editions of NBC come out every 5-ish years with lots of changes.
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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
Item id
1765313254157_921
Heading id
s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
second last paragraph – it is not clear what is intended here. If the Standard is referencing other documents, specific clauses should be referenced (or not referenced) if they are/are not to be considered.
What should we change it to?
Reference the specific clauses
Why should we change it?
It is too vague/unspecific otherwise to simply reference a whole other document
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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
Item id
1765313314692_836
Heading id
s7.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
last paragraph – seems odd to put this here. Particularly when other parts of the standard say you have to do all kinds of other things elsewhere
What should we change it to?
remove it
Why should we change it?
it doesn't belong here
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7.1 Inclusions
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7.1
Item id
1765313368912_651
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s7.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
before last paragraph – this is not clear. Is the intent to say that this Standard deals with evacuation during fire emergencies, and other emergency issues (ex: earthquakes) will be in another standard? Or is the standard focused on evacuation in general, and other types of emergencies (that don’t require evacuation) will be in other standards?
What should we change it to?
I don't know - what is the intent?
Why should we change it?
It is unclear.
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7.2 Exclusions
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7.2
Item id
1765313428811_811
Heading id
heading-31
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
The explanation is not clear. Horizontal evacuations imply that people do not have to proceed to outside. Instead, they are moved to another fire protected compartment. The use of terminology like “unaffected wing of a multi-building complex” is a bit odd and not common language used in other codes for this type of thing.
What should we change it to?
Use more commonly used code language
Why should we change it?
creates confusion for no reason
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10.1.1.4 Types of emergencies requiring horizontal evacuation
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10.1.1.4
Item id
1765313584552_327
Heading id
s10
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
2nd paragraph. Fire safety plans differ from building to building. Saying that everything in the following pages “shall be included” in the fire safety plan could create conflicts and implementation difficulties. Suggest to use different wording like “must be considered”.
What should we change it to?
Suggest to use different wording like “must be considered”.
Why should we change it?
could create conflicts and implementation difficulties.
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11. Practices and procedures
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11.
Item id
1765313716634_547
Heading id
s10
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
2nd paragraph. How are the article/clause/subclause structure of the standard named? Because if “11” is a Clause, everything else is what – sub-sub-sub clauses? Perhaps say “this section contains…”. It is not clear what is intended here – would the entire 11.X.X.X elements be included, or is it just 11.0?
What should we change it to?
Some sort of consistent structure throughout the Standard with consistent terminology for clauses, subclauses, sub-sub clauses, etc. Suggest to look at structure of building codes
Why should we change it?
It is very hard to follow, to tell what is part of a note or not, to reference specific provisions in other parts of the standard. There are many instances where there are multiple "(a)" or (b)" items under the same clause.
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11. Practices and procedures
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11.
Item id
1765313770082_263
Heading id
s11.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
NFC 2020 – suggest to avoid paraphrasing and just quote more directly the NFC – “the NFC 2020 requires that fire safety plans include information on the emergency procedures to be carried out in case of fire including evacuating occupants, including special provisions for persons requiring assistance” to avoid misinterpretation or extrapolation of what the NFC requires. Ultimately, it is up to building managers and the fire department to sort out the fire safety plan and what makes sense for the building, its location and its occupant profiles.
What should we change it to?
Don't paraphrase
Why should we change it?
It leads to incorrect interpretation of what is in the NFC.
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11.1 Items Included in the fire safety plan
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11.1
Item id
1765313804237_373
Heading id
s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
., first paragraph – the fire safety plan is not only for evacuation of all occupants of the building, but to move people to a safe place – this may not be full evacuation from the building but rather another zone in the building for example.
What should we change it to?
clarify
Why should we change it?
It is incorrect
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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
Item id
1765313834277_872
Heading id
s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
last paragraph – it is not only federally regulated buildings who need a fire safety plan – suggest to remove the first half of this sentence.
What should we change it to?
suggest to remove the first half of this sentence.
Why should we change it?
it is not only federally regulated buildings who need a fire safety plan
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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
Item id
1765313885047_877
Heading id
heading-39
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
b) – the wording is awkward from using “direct the response…and directed by first responders” – suggest to reword
What should we change it to?
suggest to reword
Why should we change it?
awkward wording
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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
Item id
1765462986420_395
Heading id
heading-39
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
c) use of words like “ensure” is very strong and implies legal responsibility – the emergency warden is only one person and should not be expected to “ensure safe evacuation of people with disabilities”. Are they responsible/trained for rescue or is the intent that they are just the holders of paperwork? It would not be fair to lay the blame on them if something goes a bit sideways.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider the concept of the emergency warden's responsibilities
Why should we change it?
liability, nothing is certain ("ensure") to work out, expectation that warden is an all in one first responder?
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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
Item id
1765463083130_911
Heading id
heading-39
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
d) and e) How would this be enforced? Is the intent that any person with a disability should declare their disability to the front desk of a building every time they enter a building? This is never going to happen in practice. People with disabilities should be responsible to have their own emergency plan and ask for information/assistance if needed. It should not be on an employee of a building to chase after everyone who enters the doors to fill out paperwork. This is particularly unfeasible in buildings where people may not stay very long (compared to a residential building’s tenants for example) – in a bank, court, etc.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider the concept of PEEPs and feasibility in real life.
Why should we change it?
It is not enforceable, people will not waste time filling out paperwork every time they enter a building. Many data security concerns also.
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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
Item id
1765463197661_762
Heading id
heading-40
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
firefighters will be busy with fire suppression. The other items listed are lower priorities – the assumption is that people will be able to evacuate/move to a safe place by themselves as much as possible. The point of having the buddy system is so that people don’t need further assistance (or minimal assistance) to exit. Is the intent of 11.2.1.2. to just be a general “this is what first responders typically do” or is the wording suggesting that these are requirements? Is the list exhaustive? Suggest to rework this item and consult first responders on what they actually do. Note that all of this also assumes a location has sufficient resources to do any of these things – in many locations, there are no resources to do internal fire suppression activities for example.
What should we change it to?
reconsider, potentially delete this
Why should we change it?
these are not written as requirements, only as assumptions that the first responders have resources to do all these things, which may not be the case in many locations
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11.2.1.2 The role of the first responder(s)
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11.2.1.2
Item id
1765463263778_554
Heading id
heading-41
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
This item assumes that the same people are in a building on a regular basis – not temporary visitors to a building. Suggest to clarify this and the limitations of this requirement.
What should we change it to?
Suggest to clarify this and the limitations of this requirement.
Why should we change it?
This may only be applicable to people who are always in the building, not visitors
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11.2.1.3 The role of the person with a disability
Heading number portion
11.2.1.3
Item id
1765463324418_744
Heading id
heading-42
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
f) – this is worded awkwardly/hard to understand.
What should we change it to?
restructure
Why should we change it?
you need to read it many times before getting it.
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11.2.1.4 The role of the buddy
Heading number portion
11.2.1.4
Item id
1765463367569_497
Heading id
s11.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
Suggest to add references in the previous sections to this item since PEEPs are mentioned several times.
What should we change it to?
point to 11.3 in previous instances of mentioning PEEPs
Why should we change it?
so that readers know where to find the details of what is a PEEP while reading previous sections
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11.3 Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan (PEEP)
Heading number portion
11.3
Item id
1765463439901_486
Heading id
s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
2nd paragraph – it is highly unlikely that documented plans will be created for every visitor that passes through a building. Particularly for any accessibility need that is not an obvious use of a wheelchair. Asking people to divulge their health/disability status to someone in a building that they are visiting temporarily doesn’t make sense. Suggesting that a person who normally uses hearing aids but didn’t bring them or turn them on now needs to go tell a stranger and fill out paperwork for it every time they go to the bank – I don’t see this actually being implemented in any way, even if a consequence is that they may not be able to hear an announcement for an emergency of some kind.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider the whole concept of PEEPs and feasibility in practice
Why should we change it?
See "what should we change"
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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
Heading number portion
11.3.1
Item id
1765463494292_62
Heading id
s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
3rd paragraph – awkward wording. The NFC requires that a fire safety plan include information on evacuating occupants – suggest rewording and sticking as closely to NFC (or other provincial or territorial codes) as possible. Don’t forget to mention “provincial and territorial codes” – territories have codes as well.
What should we change it to?
suggest rewording and sticking as closely to NFC (or other provincial or territorial codes) as possible. Don’t forget to mention “provincial and territorial codes” – territories have codes as well.
Why should we change it?
creates misinterpretations, missing info
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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
Heading number portion
11.3.1
Item id
1765463547304_715
Heading id
s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Note – don’t specify 2-3 days per week for the hybrid schedule – what about 1 day or 4 days? Or jobs that are active over weekends? – Just say something like “who are in a building full or part time” instead?
What should we change it to?
Just say something like “who are in a building full or part time” instead?
Why should we change it?
not everyone works full days, nor is "hybrid" the same as "2-3 days".
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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
Heading number portion
11.3.1
Item id
1765463613201_154
Heading id
s11.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
b) – this is unlikely to happen in practice.
What should we change it to?
reconsider PEEP concept as a whole and feasibility in practice.
Why should we change it?
People will not waste their time filling out paperwork every time they enter a building, particularly paperwork full of personal/health data
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11.3.1 Introduction to Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan
Heading number portion
11.3.1
Item id
1765463815619_328
Heading id
s11.3.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Applicable to 11.3.4., 19.2, 19.3, and PEEPs in general and above sections that rely on PEEPs as a concept – who will actually fill this out consistently? who will manage all this confidential information? How long is it retained? How is it destroyed? How is it protected? What are the qualifications of the emergency warden to have access to this information? How can someone identify who the emergency warden is in the first place? (particularly visitors) – is this just the security guard? A specialized security guard? Not every building will have this resource or even have a front desk with staff. This is a lot of personal information and also a bit of a quiz/exam – Some of it would be covered by fire drills, safety training. The majority of the information in this form doesn’t need to be documented in anything other than “have you done safety training? Y/N” Or would be covered by general signage at the entrance of the building. While a PEEP may be well intended, I find it unlikely that it will be used in practice anywhere. A person with a disability should be able to obtain information on the location of areas or refuge, equipment, etc with adequately posted signage in the building, not by having to have personal conversations with a security guard.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider idea of PEEPs as a whole.
Why should we change it?
Not enforceable, full of personal/health data collection with no particular data management plan, not all buildings have a front desk/staff assigned to collecting and then discarding paperwork every few minutes. Only asked of people with disabilities but nobody else. There are many problems with this concept.
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11.3.4 Information to be included in the employee PEEP
Heading number portion
11.3.4
Item id
1765463875767_258
Heading id
s11.3.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
This is much too vague – privacy concerns shall be discussed – what does that mean for application of data security, etc?
What should we change it to?
Needs to be fleshed out
Why should we change it?
So much personal data will likely be mismanaged.
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11.3.5 Personal information
Heading number portion
11.3.5
Item id
1765463933014_38
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s11.3.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
what happens if there is no security/front desk? It would make much more sense to simply have signage explaining emergency procedures at key locations in the building, with maybe a phone number or QR code where people can call/look up and identify themselves if they really want to.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider PEEPs in general
Why should we change it?
Building safety for occupants should not rely on filling out paperwork.
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11.3.6 Visitors
Heading number portion
11.3.6
Item id
1765463980905_147
Heading id
heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
also highlighted for 7.2 – what sort of emergencies are we dealing with here? Only fire? Floods? Power outages? Intruders?
What should we change it to?
Clarify what kind of emergencies the standard is trying to address
Why should we change it?
The standard is not clear on what it is trying to do
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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
Heading number portion
11.4.1.1
Item id
1765464066252_104
Heading id
heading-52
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
– it is quite onerous to say “if no volunteers, manager is responsible” – what if there is more than one person without a buddy? Are managers expected to be on site at all times? What if the manager is not physically able to move a person? Not clear how this would play out in actual practice.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider the requirements to something that is more feasible in practice
Why should we change it?
Difficult to put into practice. Not enforceable.
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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
Heading number portion
11.4.1.1
Item id
1765464151426_520
Heading id
heading-54
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
it is a bit odd to have “requirements” for buddies, given that they are volunteers and can choose to leave a situation at any time or change up their activities to suit the situation or preserve their own safety. Suggest to frame these as guidelines/best practices rather than requirements. Ex: there are many lifting techniques out there, some may work better for certain people.
What should we change it to?
Frame as suggestions rather than requirements
Why should we change it?
A volunteer can just not do any of these things if they are not comfortable.
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11.4.1.3 Requirements and guidelines for persons (buddies) assisting a person with a disability
Heading number portion
11.4.1.3
Item id
1765464238074_224
Heading id
heading-54
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
g) Is the expectation that emergency responders complete this as well or just the person with a disability + buddy/manager? Suggest that instead of having all these details documented in writing, would it be enough to just say “revise the PEEP and fire safety plan as needed based on the outcomes of the evacuation event”? Something simple is more likely to actually be applied in practice than specifying a check list of requirements for many questions for many people. First responders are unlikely to have time to do this.
What should we change it to?
Simplify
Why should we change it?
It will not be consistently done in practice
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11.4.1.3 Requirements and guidelines for persons (buddies) assisting a person with a disability
Heading number portion
11.4.1.3
Item id
1765464830048_145
Heading id
s11
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
What do you mean “this Clause”? (same for 11.0) – This section you mean? A clause is usually one item. This is quite confusing, particularly when talking about the built environment and linking things to codes – where the structure is Part to Section to Subsection to Article to Sentence to Clause to Subclause. Recommend to establish the hierarchy of terms for the structure of the standard if it is different from Codes (ex: Clause to section to sentence or whatever)
What should we change it to?
Have some sort of naming and numbering structure and apply it throughout
Why should we change it?
It is very hard to follow. The Standard is not consistently structured. Many "clauses" have doubles of a), b), etc but some just have a bunch of sentences and paragraphs...
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12. Built environment
Heading number portion
12.
Item id
1765464925325_19
Heading id
s12.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
the sentence about sprinklers is oddly placed. Presumably the following items in the standard will outline what is an area of refuge and it should be clear from that, that adding sprinklers is insufficient to call a space an area of refuge. Suggest to remove from here, as it creates confusion.
What should we change it to?
remove
Why should we change it?
only creates confusion and implies that the requirements for areas of refuge are not adequate to make this statement obvious.
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12.1.1 Application
Heading number portion
12.1.1
Item id
1765464955259_314
Heading id
heading-61
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
awkward wording that sort of insinuates that there are different building codes that apply to different storeys in the same building. Suggest to edit for grammar/structure.
What should we change it to?
Suggest to edit for grammar/structure.
Why should we change it?
Creates confusion, unclear
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12.1.1.1 Number of areas of refuge
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12.1.1.1
Item id
1765465001901_455
Heading id
s12.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
a) – confusing structure – suggest to break it down into i) ii) iii) or something so that it can be understood. Needs more punctuation.
What should we change it to?
restructure and edit for grammar
Why should we change it?
difficult to understand
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12.1.2 Location of the areas of refuge
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12.1.2
Item id
1765465044764_854
Heading id
s12.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
b) – a lot of information all mashed into this requirement – recommend to reword and add more punctuation for understanding.
What should we change it to?
Restructure and clarify
Why should we change it?
There is too much crammed into one item. and is hard to follow/understand
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12.1.2 Location of the areas of refuge
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12.1.2
Item id
1765465076862_86
Heading id
s12.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Note – how can this be enforced? If you don’t have a range of distance in mind, just remove this.
What should we change it to?
Remove this
Why should we change it?
It means nothing.
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12.1.2 Location of the areas of refuge
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12.1.2
Item id
1765465124099_488
Heading id
s12.1.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
what is meant by “evacuation device nearby”? What type of device? What is “nearby”? Typically an evac chair cannot be stored in an exit stairwell.
What should we change it to?
Clarify intent
Why should we change it?
Not clear what is intended.
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12.1.3 General
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12.1.3
Item id
1765465190459_163
Heading id
s12.1.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
recommend to list which edition of the standards. Or simply state the values like “clear width of 860 mm”.
What should we change it to?
just state the clear width
Why should we change it?
Why make someone open a second document and find an unspecified clause, when you can just state a single dimension?
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12.1.4 Doors serving an area of refuge
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12.1.4
Item id
1765465249813_796
Heading id
s12.1.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
what is an “immediate area of refuge” compared to a regular area of refuge? Some diagrams would be helpful in this general section to show how floorplans might work.
What should we change it to?
Clarify and provide diagrams of floorplans
Why should we change it?
Illustrating some examples for areas of refuge and where they could be located/their characteristics would really help visualize how this is supposed to play out.
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12.1.4 Doors serving an area of refuge
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12.1.4
Item id
1765465315618_245
Heading id
s12.1.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
c) How long does the emergency power or alternative power source need to last?
What should we change it to?
Clarify expectations
Why should we change it?
As written, the emergency power can be acceptable if it lasts 2 minutes or if the door is activated once. Is this the intent?
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12.1.4 Doors serving an area of refuge
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12.1.4
Item id
1765465412813_102
Heading id
s12.1.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
A diagram would help here. For the requirement to be free of protrusions, if there are two-way communication devices, or signage these would technically protrude. Suggest to add more specifications on the protrusions (ex: cane detectable or less than 100 mm within a certain height range). The NBC has requirements for building protrusions. Would a buddy have to sit on the floor if they have to wait a while?
What should we change it to?
Allow for some protrusions within reason. Consider some requirements for buddies who are supposed to wait too.
Why should we change it?
Unless you are requiring everything to be recessed into the wall, you will not be allowed to have anything in the space like an emergency communication device, or a place to sit for a buddy.
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12.1.5 Interior of areas of refuge
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12.1.5
Item id
1765465496682_91
Heading id
s12.1.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
d) – how long does the backup power need to last (ie does the illumination need to stay at 200 lx for 30 minutes? 1h, 2h? Or is this in regular times when there is no power outage? NBC emergency lighting is much less intense and has a time limit on how long it must be on.
What should we change it to?
Lighting requirements need to be developed further.
Why should we change it?
Not clear if this is for emergency (power outage) lighting or regular lighting, how long it needs to last (1 minute or 3 hours?), etc.
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12.1.5 Interior of areas of refuge
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12.1.5
Item id
1765465564830_925
Heading id
s12.1.6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
f) – separate from what? If this is part of a stairwell, are these enclosed spaces or are they just larger landings? Can battery power backup be used or is a generator mandatory?
What should we change it to?
further develop requirement and clarify sentence
Why should we change it?
Wording is not clear, but also intent is not clear either
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12.1.6 Clear waiting space
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12.1.6
Item id
1765486158603_446
Heading id
s12.1.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
what do you mean connected to an emergency response system? Should this be integrated with b) to specify that the two-way communication is connected to a panel accessed by firefighters? The extra bit about the communication system being equipped with volume control should be under one of the a) to h) requirements?
What should we change it to?
Clarify, restructure
Why should we change it?
The requirement is not clear and not structured correctly
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12.1.7 Areas of refuge communication
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12.1.7
Item id
1765486212990_35
Heading id
s12.1.8
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Can the reference to CSA B651 be more specific? (edition year, clause #) What is required to be on the sign on the side of the door? Why does it have to be both on the door and beside the door? The door will always be closed (assuming it is a fire rated closure, for smoke protection) so there will essentially never be a time where one of the signs is not visible (like if the door is open for example).
What should we change it to?
reference a specific clause
Why should we change it?
It is not clear why you need the same sign on the door as beside the door right next to it
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12.1.8 Signage
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12.1.8
Item id
1765486329347_689
Heading id
s12.1.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Comment on areas of refuge in general – While having a dedicated area of refuge is a nice concept, in practice, how will it be managed? These are empty spaces that will likely end up being used for storage, meeting rooms, etc unless there are reliable building management operations that do this at a regular frequency. Who will ensure that this is done and how often? Municipal fire services may not have the spare resources to check that this is done regularly. There may not be an onsite building manager every day, etc. In some codes, these were removed because in practice, they were not being used as intended.
What should we change it to?
Consider how this will play out in practice realistically
Why should we change it?
The building needs to have adequate management/operations support for this to be useful
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12.1.3 General
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12.1.3
Item id
1765486479650_186
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
there are many requirements for exit doors in the NBC. NFC is mostly for maintenance requirements. Do you mean all doors in an accessible path of travel or for every door in a building (ex: doors to stairwells that don’t have refuge areas, etc). Recommend that requirements of the NBC be reviewed to update this section of the standard. Also note that there are limits to vision glass sizes for fire rated doors that are quite small – if you want a vision glass at 900 mm from the floor (and presumably at a higher height for people who are standing), the glass panel(s) will be very very small. Some areas may not be adequate for a vision panel (in case of security or privacy issues like a correctional or health facility)
What should we change it to?
Review NBC and NFC requirements for doors in fire separations. Consider need for privacy in some building occupancy types. Clarify to which doors this applies
Why should we change it?
Needs further consideration, and clarification on which doors this applies to. Consider adding diagrams of floor plans or size of vision panel allowed in fire doors.
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12.2 Exit doors
Heading number portion
12.2
Item id
1765486558219_445
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
What is a “high luminance contrasting strip”? Perhaps reword to “visually contrasting markings”, or “opaque markings” or something that is more intuitive. How is the 50 mm measured – 900-950 mm from the floor? 850-900 mm? or say “approximately 900 mm”? Same for the 1350 mm. NBC has requirements for one contrasting strip between 1350 and 1500 mm from the floor. Please avoid creating conflicts where a design cannot comply with both the NBC (or local codes) and a standard. The NBC prevails in these situations.
What should we change it to?
Clarify language, specify where the strip should be placed. Consult NBC to avoid creating conflicts
Why should we change it?
The wording is not clear on how this requirement should be applied.
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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1765486644733_877
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
a) and also the other a) – please restructure the standard to be of a consistent format.
What should we change it to?
don't repeat letters - restructure whole standard to be more consistent
Why should we change it?
It makes it very hard to reference clauses in the standard when you have to say something like "Oh go see this clause, 3rd paragraph under a) but not the first a)"
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12.2 Exit doors
Heading number portion
12.2
Item id
1765486675860_221
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
b) review grammar
What should we change it to?
wording is confusing
Why should we change it?
it is confusing
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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1765486720702_311
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
c) what does this mean? Specify which clauses to follow for the path of travel.
What should we change it to?
Clarify
Why should we change it?
It is too vague
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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1765486771645_26
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
There is no way a building will never lock their entrance doors – what is the standard trying to achieve here?
What should we change it to?
Clarify intent
Why should we change it?
This is not enforceable in practice - most buildings will lock their doors at some point in a day.
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12.2 Exit doors
Heading number portion
12.2
Item id
1765486808710_561
Heading id
s12.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
in general – this item has a bunch of requirements all together that are not organized/labelled/numbered. Please structure it.
What should we change it to?
There are too many items here, making it confusing and difficult to follow
Why should we change it?
There are too many items here, making it confusing and difficult to follow
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12.2 Exit doors
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12.2
Item id
1765486843920_907
Heading id
s12.2.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
title – the title is about horizontal exits, but then the content includes all exit doors. Retitle to be clearer.
What should we change it to?
Retitle to be clearer.
Why should we change it?
the title is about horizontal exits, but then the content includes all exit doors.
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12.2.1 Power door operators on horizontal exit doors
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12.2.1
Item id
1765546932567_944
Heading id
s12.2.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
3rd paragraph – typo for “in existing buildingS”. Also, this is already required by the NBC (including for new buildings – NBC does not require power backup to power doors at this time, but does require that they be disconnected when alarms are triggered – see NBC 3.1.8.5.(2) and NFPA 80). Requiring battery backups may create conflicts with the NBC.
What should we change it to?
Fix typo. Check for conflicts with NBC/NFPA 80
Why should we change it?
The standard may be introducing conflicts - ultimately, code will prevail in these instances.
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12.2.1 Power door operators on horizontal exit doors
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12.2.1
Item id
1765546994197_307
Heading id
s12.2.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
first paragraph – what does “all of which shall be accessible” mean? That every single door in an exit be accessible? Or that all the exits be accessible? Because some may just be the door at the bottom of the stairwell. What do you mean by “accessible”? With a certain clear width?
What should we change it to?
Not sure what is intended
Why should we change it?
It is not clear what the standard is asking.
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12.2.1 Power door operators on horizontal exit doors
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12.2.1
Item id
1765547064695_218
Heading id
s12.2.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
re. emergency power – how long does the backup power need to last? A certain amount of time? Number of door activations?
What should we change it to?
Specify how long power need to last.
Why should we change it?
A design could include a battery backup that lasts 1 minute or 15 hours..The 1 minute option will be cheaper
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12.2.1 Power door operators on horizontal exit doors
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12.2.1
Item id
1765547124926_407
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s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Which passages of CSA/ASC B651 is the standard referring to? What edition of the standard?
What should we change it to?
Specify details
Why should we change it?
Just pointing to a whole standard (of unknown edition) is not helpful to the reader in finding what is actually asked.
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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.3.1
Item id
1765547171438_792
Heading id
s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
There are 2 “(a)” and “(b)” – the standard needs to be structured more consistently.
What should we change it to?
restructure whole standard for consistency
Why should we change it?
It is difficult to follow a standard that is all over the place for numbers/letters of clauses
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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
Heading number portion
12.3.1
Item id
1765547252190_821
Heading id
s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
What is intended by “all elements”? Do all the water fountains along the path need to be accessible? Or do you mean that the path of travel must be free of stairs, protrusions, passing zones, etc. Are handrails allowed to protrude? Wall décor? Fire alarm pull stations? Communication systems?
What should we change it to?
Clarify the intent
Why should we change it?
Realistically, there will be some amount of protrusions - the standard can outline what is acceptable (ex: cane detectable items, narrowing of path for a limited span like going through a doorway, etc)
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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
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12.3.1
Item id
1765547320208_743
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s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Item 12.7 on ramps require that slopes be not more than 1:20 or 1:15 – and yet under 12.3.1. it says 1:25 is the limit. Please clarify. The NBC defines a ramp as anything steeper than 1:20.
What should we change it to?
pick one
Why should we change it?
Slope properties are inconsistent in the standard. A slope of 1/25 would not even be considered a ramp per NBC. It would have implications for the provision of landings, handrails/guards, etc.
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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
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12.3.1
Item id
1765547401277_998
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s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Is the lighting for regular time or in emergency lighting time? NBC requires emergency lighting of 10lx. For the most part, NBC requires 50lx (at floor level) in corridors in non-emergencies. 200 lx is significantly higher.
What should we change it to?
Clarify intent and conditions for provision of lighting
Why should we change it?
It is not clear when this lighting is required
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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
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12.3.1
Item id
1765547465609_853
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s12.3.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
d) If the flooring is not carpeted, can the other materials be patterned? I understand the intent, but there are many loopholes to this.
What should we change it to?
reword to reflect intent
Why should we change it?
A design could just put wildly patterned linoleum and comply with this requirement.
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12.3.1 Interior egress path of travel
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12.3.1
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1765547532422_214
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s12.3.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Which clause of CSA/ASC B651? Are ramp requirements under 12.7 of this standard not adequate? If defining a maximum distance, there is no point in giving a range. What is intended by “free of barriers”? Would you allow handrails? How would the 200 lx be controlled, particularly in nighttime situations? Where is the 200 lx measured? Can this be a sensor based element that only turns on with motion or does the 200 lx have to be provided at all times? This could likely be a burden to surrounding buildings to have such bright lighting outdoor (ex: residential apartment having very bright lights shining straight into their bedroom windows)
What should we change it to?
Rethink requirements, feasibility and practicality
Why should we change it?
Neighbours would not be thrilled to have bright lights turned on at all times outside their bedroom windows.
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12.3.2 Exterior egress path of travel
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12.3.2
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1765547569187_428
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s12.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Why is there a need to define a size for a muster point – aren’t muster points just general areas outside of the building? Presumably multiple building occupants will leave by the same exit and generally gather in a parking area or something.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider need for this requirement
Why should we change it?
Unlikely to be needed
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12.4 Muster points
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12.4
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1765547591862_716
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s12.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
which clauses in CSA/ASC B651 should be followed? There are various types of chairs/benches in B651.
What should we change it to?
Specify requirements
Why should we change it?
It is too vague
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12.4 Muster points
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12.4
Item id
1765547650578_895
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s12.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
the rest of the standard provides specific illumination levels and yet here only says “be illuminated”.
What should we change it to?
Be more specific
Why should we change it?
You could illuminate the space with a matchstick, or also some lamps, or also ultrabright spotlights..
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12.4 Muster points
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12.4
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1765547722736_274
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s12.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
d) – there is already a requirement at the start of 12.4 saying that muster points are served by an accessible exterior egress path of travel. A muster point is normally a general area away from the building. To specify that it is recessed away from the exterior egress path seems odd.
What should we change it to?
Repetitive, perhaps not needed
Why should we change it?
Already covered at least in part in standard. Muster points are general areas - difficult to define what is "recessed" from the path.
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12.4 Muster points
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12.4
Item id
1765547800534_844
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s12.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Is the note a requirement? There are many considerations in providing areas of refuge or occupant evacuation elevators. From an operations point of view, these areas are likely to be used for storage and someone needs to manage how the occupant evacuation elevator is used. While not necessarily a bad idea, this seems like an overly simplified requirement.
What should we change it to?
Structure needs work, reconsider complexities of requirements.
Why should we change it?
feasibility in practice, pressure on building operations to ensure these spaces are always clear.
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12.5 Stairs
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12.5
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1765547842844_720
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s12.5.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Exterior stairs must comply with CSA B651 but also be designed as interior stairs?? This doesn’t make sense.
What should we change it to?
Not sure what is intended here
Why should we change it?
The intent is not clear. It is also not clear what requirements are supposed to be.
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12.5.1 Exterior stairs on accessible egress path of travel
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12.5.1
Item id
1765547900252_123
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s12.5.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
If a certain exterior stair leads away from an exit that is not accessible, is there a need for a ramp? Or is the requirement that any accessible exit be provided with an accessible path of travel to the muster point/public way? Because that is already covered under 12.3.2.
What should we change it to?
Clarify what is intended. Suggest a diagram perhaps?
Why should we change it?
It is not clear how to apply this.
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12.5.1 Exterior stairs on accessible egress path of travel
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12.5.1
Item id
1765547978333_143
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s12.5.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
why is there a minimum number of risers? If the rise of the stair is not very high, are you supposed to just put three little steps instead of one? Is the intent to limit this to trigger a requirement to provide a guard/handrail?
What should we change it to?
Allow for fewer than 3 risers where there is no need for more?
Why should we change it?
Requiring a minimum number of steps will be silly for small height differences
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12.5.1 Exterior stairs on accessible egress path of travel
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12.5.1
Item id
1765548065412_674
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s12.5.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
b) That is a very wide stair and would require an intermediate handrail. Do you mean that all stairs need to be this size in any building? Residential? Commercial? Exit stairs and also non-exit stairs? This would not be feasible in many projects.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider, or consider how this would work with NBC requirements (need for intermediate handrails)
Why should we change it?
The stair will be cut into 2 sections and may not be what was intended for the standard.
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12.5.2 Interior stairs
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12.5.2
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1765548123444_444
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s12.5.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
c) Is this a typo? Why is the clear height over a landing so much higher than in the stair itself? It is higher than the allowed height of protrusions in general.
What should we change it to?
Correct the value
Why should we change it?
Almost 4 meters of clear height at landings is questionable.
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12.5.2 Interior stairs
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12.5.2
Item id
1765548182220_878
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s12.6.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
specify that this is for stairs in exit stairwells or other specific applications. There are many instances where there may be ramps or stairs that don’t make you go to a different floor (ex: in an auditorium).
What should we change it to?
Specify application - you dont have floor level markers every time there is a stair or ramp
Why should we change it?
It doesn't make sense in all locations.
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12.6.1 Tactile information on stair and ramp handrails
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12.6.1
Item id
1765548229507_107
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s12.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
2nd paragraph – this sentence contradicts itself.
What should we change it to?
pick one
Why should we change it?
It is odd to say a ramp must be this steep, but also if it is not, it can be this other option.
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12.7 Ramps
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12.7
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1765548400507_317
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s12.7.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Why is there a need for an extra 10 mm under the handrails? B651 requires a path of travel to be 1200 mm. Is this insufficient? B651 also allows handrails to protrude into the 1200 mm space (the path is measured to the edges/walls rather than between the handrails. This new requirement of 1200 mm between handrails would make the path of travel at least 1400 mm – is this necessary?
What should we change it to?
at least align with CSA B651 if there is not other reason for difference, since the start of the requirement already says you have to comply with CSA B651.
Why should we change it?
This width may be challenging for a person using both handrails to go up the ramp. Also, it is different from CSA B651 but unsure why, and requirement says to otherwise comply with CSA B651.
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12.7.2 Ramp handrails
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12.7.2
Item id
1765548481898_703
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s13.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Suggest to clarify that this is “fire alarm systems” and not other alarm systems (ex: security alarms)
What should we change it to?
Specify what kind of alarm system the standard is covering
Why should we change it?
Clarification of intent
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13.1 Alarm systems
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13.1
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1765548530594_355
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s13.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
generally, the information and requirements around fire alarms and visible signals are not totally accurate and ambiguous. Suggest that this section of the standard needs work.
What should we change it to?
Rethink this section, or delete
Why should we change it?
It is ambiguous, not totally accurate and not clear on what a reader is supposed to do with this.
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13.1 Alarm systems
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13.1
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1765548588005_940
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s13.1.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Recommend to avoid trying to explain what a single and two stage system means – these are not requirements. Also, Alarm signals to evacuate occupants do make a noise. Also, technical requirements of fire alarm systems are not in the NFC, they are in the NBC, along with where fire alarm systems are required. Please correct or delete this item.
What should we change it to?
Correct or delete
Why should we change it?
It is inaccurate and incorrect.
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13.1.2 Two-stage system
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13.1.2
Item id
1765548704790_287
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s13.1.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Why is “signal” in all-caps? Was CAN/ULC S524 reviewed in the development of these requirements? (for the installation of fire alarm systems, including visible signal devices).
What should we change it to?
Review relevant standards. Clarify/change the "SIGNAL" wording that is ambiguous
Why should we change it?
Seems the standard should consider CAN ULC S524 as a more relevant standard. Capitalizing "signal" for no obvious reason is confusing
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13.1.3 Where a fire alarm system is provided
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13.1.3
Item id
1765548762197_7
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s13.1.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Where a fire alarm system is not provided, what is the visible signal system doing? Do you mean that it is part of a smoke alarm device? Or connected to a smoke alarm device? Is the device required to have a visible signal?
What should we change it to?
Clarify
Why should we change it?
Not sure how this would work in practice or what the intent is.
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13.1.4 Where a fire alarm system is not provided
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13.1.4
Item id
1765548805614_149
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heading-90
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
This is not enforceable in practice. The point of having signage in buildings is to point to exits, alarms to alert people of emergencies, etc. Otherwise, the building manager would need to digitize every PEEP or type in all the phone numbers to text/call, have an immediate access to a sign language interpreter (for the possible visitor who wants this)..Video messaging would be helpful if there is a need to convey more complex information than “please evacuate” and yet it is not permitted? There has been a push for pictogram based signage/information so that it is not language dependent. Alarms and the green running man or symbol of access are more recognizable than many of the suggested formats.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider
Why should we change it?
Not feasible in practice
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13.1.4.1 Emergency communication formats
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13.1.4.1
Item id
1765548844025_126
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heading-90
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
there are 2 (a) and 2 (b) items. Please restructure logically.
What should we change it to?
Restructure whole standard to be consistent
Why should we change it?
one clause should not have 2 sub-clauses with the same ID.
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13.1.4.1 Emergency communication formats
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13.1.4.1
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1765548880289_311
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s13.2.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Low frequency alarms – do you mean they should be provided everywhere? Only in some locations? Are visible signal devices not adequate? The NBC requires such alarms in some locations where people may be sleeping (thus wouldn’t see a visible signal)
What should we change it to?
Specify in more detail.
Why should we change it?
It is not clear what is intended
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13.2.1 Alerting or signaling devices
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13.2.1
Item id
1765548954473_424
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s13.2.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
when saying “connected to a power source” does this mean to continuous power (hardwired) or battery powered?
What should we change it to?
Specify what is required
Why should we change it?
Not clear what is allowed. Some jurisdictions require hardwiring (continuous power) but in some instances batteries are permitted for example.
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13.2.2 Visible device location
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13.2.2
Item id
1765549011840_306
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s13.2.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Can the location requirements of CAN/ULC S524 be provided directly rather than by reference? S524 is not available freely. Which edition is this referring to anyways? Should this requirement be located above under the fire alarm system requirements? Are the visible signals intended to signal a different kind of emergency?
What should we change it to?
Specify location directly instead of referencing a standard. Consider relocating requirement to the fire alarm system section.
Why should we change it?
If it is a simple requirement, might as well put it directly in the standard for easier reading. The requirement's location in the standard insinuates that the visible signal devices would be used for any kind of emergency. If it is the same signal as for fire emergencies, this may not be ideal.
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13.2.2 Visible device location
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13.2.2
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1765549233346_878
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s13.2.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Is the standard suggesting that alert signals be broadcast to every phone in a certain area every time there is a fire alarm triggered? People are already annoyed by the occasional alert messages for severe hazardous weather or missing people. How will this be implemented in a targeted fashion to a single building, or even a limited number of floor areas in a building?
What should we change it to?
Reconsider how this would work in practice
Why should we change it?
Can the national public alert system be specific to a single building? Have the teams running this system been consulted on whether this is feasible?
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13.2.3 Smart phones
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13.2.3
Item id
1765549339591_444
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s13.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
how is the public announcement being transmitted electronically to building occupants? Is this on the building manager to make sure to text everyone who submitted a PEEP at the entrance of the building? People without disabilities/those who did not fill out a PEEP will have nothing in this case. Unless a general broadcast is sent to the entire region any time there is an announcement. Why are we talking about building managers now – wasn’t this the role of the emergency warden?
What should we change it to?
Reconsider intent, wording, feasibility
Why should we change it?
Not feasible in practice. But also roles and responsibilities are inconsistent in the standard
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13.4 Public announcements
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13.4
Item id
1765549384450_325
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s13.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
c) this requirement would have announcements done visually, but in 13.1.4.1. Note 2, video relay service is not allowed (in emergencies)
What should we change it to?
Review conflicting requirements/guidance
Why should we change it?
Standard is inconsistent with itself
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13.4 Public announcements
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13.4
Item id
1765549423351_22
Heading id
s13.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
restructure so that there aren’t double (a), (b), (c), (d).
What should we change it to?
Restructure whole standard for consistency
Why should we change it?
It is confusing to have multiple requirements with the same ID.
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13.4 Public announcements
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13.4
Item id
1765549484719_11
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s13.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
why are pre-recorded messages not allowed? Seems like the obvious thing to do, particularly when a message is provided in multiple languages (that the staff on duty that day may not know (if there is staff on duty))
What should we change it to?
Allow pre-recorded messages
Why should we change it?
There is no clear reason to avoid this. Would be more inclusive to include various languages but staff present during an emergency may not be multi-lingual
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13.4 Public announcements
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13.4
Item id
1765549560927_557
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s13.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
what is an emergency warning intercom system? This may not be a recognizable term
What should we change it to?
Replace with more recognizable term if there is one? Something that is already in codes? Or clarify what it intended here
Why should we change it?
It is not clear what this is - a 2 way communication device?
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13.5 Audio systems (assistive listening systems)
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13.5
Item id
1765549724668_395
Heading id
s13
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
if the standard gathers all the illumination requirements here – add references to this item wherever lighting levels and emergency power is raised, instead of duplicating the information – it will make it much easier to follow and more consistent, and avoid duplication/contradictions.
What should we change it to?
Restructure so that requirements in rest of standard points to section 14 for illumination requirements rather than repeating things everywhere for clarity and to avoid inconsistencies. ex: "corridors shall be illuminated as per Section 14"
Why should we change it?
Much easier to follow, easier to keep track of requirements and avoids accidental conflicts/inconsistencies
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14. Illumination and emergency power
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14.
Item id
1765549821018_938
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s13
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
c) and paragraph about backup power – The paragraph doesn’t make any sense. Also, how long does the power need to last? NBC has requirements for amount of time needed for emergency power for different types of buildings/conditions. Are generators required or can backup power be provided by batteries?
What should we change it to?
Similar to other comments - outline minimum requirements for backup power to work. (This may be dependent on the type/size of building)
Why should we change it?
Too vague to only say "provide emergency power". Technically a potato can power a lightbulb right? :)
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14. Illumination and emergency power
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14.
Item id
1765549920727_816
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s13
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
second last paragraph – photoluminescent (non-electrical) pathway markings need to be charged by ambient light so that they can work. However, energy efficiency requirements require that lights turn off when a space is not occupied. This will be a problem for application in practice. Additionally, the rest of the standard is ambiguous on when the 200 lx lighting must be provided (as normal operation or in emergency situations/power outages?). If there is already a requirement for 200 lx to be provided almost everywhere and supported by backup power, what is the point of having photoluminescent lighting systems? Such systems are not commonly used in Canada. The building codes also require minimum emergency lighting in many locations, which may impact the usefulness of photoluminescent systems.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider comment on photoluminescent systems if there is already backup power for lighting required everywhere
Why should we change it?
Photoluminescent markings may not be useful if there is backup power for lighting already. Could introduce conflicts with energy efficiency requirements (needs lights to be kept on at all times to charge the passive photoluminescent markings)
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14. Illumination and emergency power
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14.
Item id
1765549971366_409
Heading id
s13
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
last paragraph – why is illumination in elevators half of everywhere else?
What should we change it to?
Not sure why the difference - change requirements to be consistent if there is no reason to be different
Why should we change it?
Unclear why elevators can be lit with half the intensity as everywhere else in the standard.
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14. Illumination and emergency power
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14.
Item id
1765550024351_628
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s15.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
first paragraph – this is not correct. NBC 2020 references CSA B44:16. The NBC 2025 should reference CSA B44:22 (NBC 2025 should be published imminently). However, this flags the importance of specifying which editions of other standards are referenced throughout this Standard.
What should we change it to?
Correct, and specify edition of all referenced standards within this standard
Why should we change it?
It is incorrect.
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15.2 Codes and standards
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15.2
Item id
1765550062041_635
Heading id
s15.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
what is the point of having this item in the Standard? It seems more like an FYI which is not needed.
What should we change it to?
Suggest to delete
Why should we change it?
It is not a requirement.
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15.2 Codes and standards
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15.2
Item id
1765550097293_768
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s15.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
2nd paragraph - do you mean that at least one of the elevators shall be designed as an OEE in accordance with… or just any elevator provided? Seems there is a typo/missing word here.
What should we change it to?
Clarify provision
Why should we change it?
The provision is not clear
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15.3 Occupant evacuation elevators
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15.3
Item id
1765550151544_62
Heading id
s15.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
3 paragraph – if only 1 elevator is provided, it needs to comply with requirements to be a firefighter elevator as the priority (as per code, if it is in a high building – more than 18m).
What should we change it to?
provisions create conflicts with codes in high buildings
Why should we change it?
When there is a conflict, code prevails.
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15.3 Occupant evacuation elevators
Heading number portion
15.3
Item id
1765550304019_747
Heading id
s15.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
NBC has provisions to follow CSA B44 only if there are no other local rules for elevators. The requirements for elevators in this standard may conflict with these. It is up to jurisdictions to decide what to do for elevators.
What should we change it to?
Consider reviewing how elevator codes are applied in various jurisdictions to see if what the standard proposes makes sense
Why should we change it?
The standard may be introducing conflicts with requirements in various jurisdictions
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15.2 Codes and standards
Heading number portion
15.2
Item id
1765550366286_294
Heading id
s15.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
in a building with many visitors, it could be a challenge to follow the requirement for instructing people in how to use these elevators. While not a bad concept, the general population has been conditioned to not use elevators in these situations.
What should we change it to?
Consider how this may work in a building with many temporary occupants
Why should we change it?
Not sure this will work in practice unless a lot of obvious signage is provided.
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15.3 Occupant evacuation elevators
Heading number portion
15.3
Item id
1765550503354_530
Heading id
s15.4.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
why does every elevator need to be stretcher sized and not just one? This would disincentivize designers from adding additional elevators. And then the following provision allows for a building to have a LULA elevator or lift under B355, which allows much smaller platforms.
What should we change it to?
Consider limiting provision to one elevator. Standard is contradicting itself by requiring only large elevators but also allows small LULA or lift platforms
Why should we change it?
A design will likely limit how many elevators are added to a floor plan if they all need to be very large.
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15.4.1 Space
Heading number portion
15.4.1
Item id
1765550592598_48
Heading id
s15.4.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
if every elevator needs to be stretcher sized, then there is no need to identify which ones are stretcher sized.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider need for all elevators to be stretcher sized
Why should we change it?
If all elevators need to be stretcher sized, there is no need for signage to differentiate elevators. However, if size requirements are too onerous, there will simply be only one elevator instead of more (longer waits, less egress capacity by elevator, problem if elevator breaks down, etc)
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15.4.3 Identification
Heading number portion
15.4.3
Item id
1765550637977_367
Heading id
s15.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
It is not clear what is meant by having braille/raised characters on buttons, but also on the left of the operation button? What is the difference between operations and non-operations buttons?
What should we change it to?
Clarify intent
Why should we change it?
Not clear what the difference is between operations/non-operation buttons
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15.5 Elevator controls
Heading number portion
15.5
Item id
1765550686598_271
Heading id
s16.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
CAN-ASC 2.4 is not published yet – impossible to review if it makes sense.
What should we change it to?
either remove reference or hold this standard until the other one is published
Why should we change it?
The standard is not published - it cannot be reviewed to see if the requirements make sense.
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16.1 Application
Heading number portion
16.1
Item id
1765550799822_692
Heading id
s16.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
only the first sentence is a requirement. The rest is unnecessary.
What should we change it to?
Delete most of this item.
Why should we change it?
The standard doesn't talk about regulatory/mandatory/warning signage anywhere else in the standard. LEDs are not the only way to light up a screen. Suggest to remove or simply state the colour combinations that are not great, regardless of technology featuring the colours .
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16.1 Application
Heading number portion
16.1
Item id
1765550907765_585
Heading id
s16.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
it may make more sense to have signage for egress posted higher so that people can see them from a distance (the visual component only). How are people with low/no vision expected to find these directional signs?
What should we change it to?
Consider different height for visual signs so they can be seen from farther away. Consider feasibility of finding the tactile signage for a person with low/no vision.
Why should we change it?
A person may not be able to see signage from some distance if there are other people around blocking the signs. Recommend to put the visual component higher.
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16.2 Directional signage
Heading number portion
16.2
Item id
1765550969487_337
Heading id
s16.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
There are 2 (a) and (b) provisions.
What should we change it to?
Restructure whole standard so that each provision has a unique identifier.
Why should we change it?
It is difficult to follow or reference other provisions for no reason.
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16.2 Directional signage
Heading number portion
16.2
Item id
1765551059737_330
Heading id
s16.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
d) How will this be done in practice? What alternative formats could be expected, and then provided upon request?
What should we change it to?
Be more specific - building operations/staff can only do so much with no heads up on what might be requested
Why should we change it?
May not be feasible in practice without some idea of what these alternative formats might be
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16.2 Directional signage
Heading number portion
16.2
Item id
1765551145283_644
Heading id
s16.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
g) What does this mean? The location of each alarm sounder/speaker?? There is already the location of manual stations under e).
What should we change it to?
Is the intent to show every instance of alarm speakers and where they are positioned? Not sure if this is useful information for a typical building occupant.
Why should we change it?
Not clear how this would be relevant to a building occupant (except perhaps a fire alarm technician)
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16.3 Emergency evacuation map
Heading number portion
16.3
Item id
1765551255418_858
Heading id
s16.5.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
This is already required in NBC 2020. CSA B651 also has technical requirements for tactile signage. It would make sense to reference the specific clause here rather than just say “raised characters”.
What should we change it to?
Provide a more specific reference for raised character and Braille features that are already outlined in CSA B651.
Why should we change it?
"raised characters and braille" is not specific enough and could result in all kinds of different font sizes, colour choices, thickness of characters, etc. NBC points to CSA B651 for the specific features.
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16.5.1 Enclosed stairway signage
Heading number portion
16.5.1
Item id
1765551319977_164
Heading id
s16.5.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
a) CSA B651 also has technical requirements for tactile signage. It would make sense to reference the specific clause here rather than just say “raised characters”.
What should we change it to?
Be more specific on the characteristics of the letters/Braille
Why should we change it?
NBC already references CSA B651 for these types of signs. This Standard might as well do the same so everything is consistent.
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16.5.2 Exit door signage
Heading number portion
16.5.2
Item id
1765551361936_173
Heading id
s16.5.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
b) and c) don’t have anything to do with signage – the requirements for these are already listed in another section of the standard.
What should we change it to?
delete
Why should we change it?
The requirements are listed elsewhere and are not related to signage
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16.5.2 Exit door signage
Heading number portion
16.5.2
Item id
1765551939532_361
Heading id
s17.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
“Evacuation device” doesn’t mean anything – is the intent to say an evacuation chair/stretcher? An inflatable slide that pops out of a window? An escape chute? Since Appendix D only lists types of evacuation chairs, suggest to rename “evacuation device” to “evacuation chair devices” or something less ambiguous in all instances of the term in the Standard.
What should we change it to?
Change terminology to reflect intent
Why should we change it?
"evacuation device" is a very general term that could mean a lot of things..
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17.1 Evacuation devices
Heading number portion
17.1
Item id
1765552126906_230
Heading id
s17
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
(Annex A and C) Consider reviewing terminology for appropriateness. Some terms like vision loss are less preferred (compared to low or no vision for example).
What should we change it to?
Terminology is inconsistent across codes and various standards. Review to pick the most appropriate. Suggest to use "low or no" to describe functional level of something since the technical provisions are there for people who may not be able to obtain information in a visual or audible format, regardless of if they are simply wearing headphones or have other cultural identity terms.
Why should we change it?
"loss" seems to be less preferred for terminology. A person wearing headphones may not be able to hear alarms, as would a person who didn't bring their hearing aids.
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18. Annex A: Emergency egress issues for persons with disabilities
Heading number portion
18.
Item id
1765552225611_766
Heading id
s21.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Editorial such as spelling, grammar, formatting and accessibility
What should we change?
21.1.1. The title of this item is not relevant to the contents. This list is a bit strange – naming evacuation chairs in (a) but then (d) and (e) are also presumably subsets of the evacuation chair?
What should we change it to?
retitle, restructure
Why should we change it?
The title is not descriptive of what is in the rest of the item.
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21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers
Heading number portion
21.1.1
Item id
1765552364095_314
Heading id
s22.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
modern elevators don’t necessarily get recalled and then shut down. I believe they remain operational unless smoke is detected in the elevator shaft or vestibules. These would be for elevators built in the last 10-ish years.
What should we change it to?
consider how modern elevators function and how they could be used in an emergency.
Why should we change it?
Just a consideration if it hasn't been discussed.
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22.4 Firefighter elevators
Heading number portion
22.4
Item id
1765552428272_618
Heading id
s22.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
how does the requirement to provide a firefighter elevator work with the Standard’s proposed requirement to mandate that an occupant evacuation elevator be provided? Would these buildings now be obligated to provide multiple elevators?
What should we change it to?
Consider conflicts in the standard, but also impact on feasibility to do this in practice.
Why should we change it?
Is the standard effectively requiring that at least 2 stretcher sized elevators be provided in all buildings?
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22.4 Firefighter elevators
Heading number portion
22.4
Item id
1765552496122_309
Heading id
s22.5.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
while an app may be beneficial, how many people want to download a new app for every building they enter? (plus login/sign up info, etc). This may not be practical or readily used unless it is a particular building that a person frequents often (like their workplace for example). 22.5.3 suggests all kinds of features for an app – is this to be a requirement for buildings to have these apps developed? Or is this just a suggestion? If it is a requirement, it should not be in an annex. It also recommends inputting all kinds of personal medical information into the app – there will be some significant privacy concerns to address here.
What should we change it to?
Reconsider - this is unlikely to be practicable, unless it is a building where occupants live or are there for a significant amount of time.
Why should we change it?
Unlikely to be feasible or used in practice.
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22.5.2 Emergency app for alerting and evacuation
Heading number portion
22.5.2
Item id
1765552600480_577
Heading id
s6.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
General comment for whole standard: • the standard is written as a mix of general paragraphs that contain requirements, individual sentences, individual clauses (not sure what the proper hierarchy terms are) – the structure of the standard needs to be more consistent. There are many instances where there are doubles of (a), (b), etc. It is not clear what is part of a note that is thrown into the middle of a clause, and what is a continuation of the clause. It makes it very difficult to understand what is part of an explanatory note, and also difficult to reference a particular requirement (ex: the 2nd (b) under the 3rd paragraph of clause 12.5.1)
What should we change it to?
Restructure standard so that each provision has a unique identifier.
Why should we change it?
It is difficult to follow what is a note or provision and to reference other provisions in the standard.
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6.2 Overview
Heading number portion
6.2
Item id
1765553160188_449
Heading id
s6.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
General comment for whole standard: • The standard lacks focus – it is written as if, for the most part, it only applies to a basic office building with people who are the same every day, a front desk with staff, and in a municipality with full firefighting services. But sometimes the Standard throws in some extra tidbits. In many instances, it would not apply well to other types of buildings (ex: care homes, places with customer services where people stream in and out, larger buildings, high buildings – NBC has many additional requirements for buildings that are over 18m for example). In general – I suggest to take a step back and think about the goals of the standard (to what buildings would this apply, what are the expected demographics of these buildings) before diving into the smaller details.
What should we change it to?
Refocus standard to be clear on where this is intended to apply. "Federal buildings" can be all kinds of buildings.
Why should we change it?
It is difficult to follow some requirements that are for fire safety or other types of emergencies. Many concepts would not apply well in some types of buildings (ex: PEEPs in high visitor turnover buildings, not locking doors in a correctional facility...)
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6.2 Overview
Heading number portion
6.2
Item id
1765553305067_550
Heading id
s6.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
General comment for whole standard: • There are several concerns about the PEEP concept – people with disabilities would be required/advised to fill out some paperwork with a lot of personal information any time they enter a building, whether it is to deposit a cheque, to work there, to visit a friend, to live there, etc. Information management/privacy issues are significant. Liability/pressure on the building manager or emergency warden to ensure that communication is done adequately or rescue is done perfectly is unrealistic. People who do not fill out the paperwork will then miss out on potentially important information. Better practice would be to ensure there is appropriate signage/information posted in a building so that people can navigate as independently as possible. While it is also great to have a buddy, it is not feasible in buildings where a person is not always there or there for a short duration. Perhaps the concept of buddies or PEEPS could be limited to only some applications (like residential and office buildings?).
What should we change it to?
Reconsider concept of PEEPs and buddy system - perhaps limit it to some types of buildings. Focus on appropriate signage so that everyone gets the right information.
Why should we change it?
It is unlikely to be feasible in practice. Many privacy concerns around personal information management. Ambitious to think people will fill out paperwork every time they enter a building.
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6.2 Overview
Heading number portion
6.2
Item id
1765553437589_511
Heading id
s6.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
General comment for whole standard: • The standard seems difficult to put into practice in an actual building design/operation procedures on many levels. For example: Managing PEEP paperwork, maintaining the many emergency power backup systems in many locations – some by generator, some battery, some unspecified. Note that the NBC points to an NFPA standard for closures (like power doors) in means of egress – this standard requires that power to power door operators be disconnected when a fire emergency is detected. While this can be problematic for people with disabilities (and is under consideration by the committees working on the NBC and considerations of door opening forces), the Standard creates conflict with NBC and other standard requirements. Please also consider how these requirements would be enforced (for those that are of the “shall” variety) in practice.
What should we change it to?
Consider enforcement/management of all the provisions in an actual building scenario. Consider drawing out floor plans and how all the provisions would be applied, as well as building operations needed from the time a person enters the building. Diagrams would help within the standard as well.
Why should we change it?
A requirement is only useful if it can be put into practice with at least decent compliance rates.
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6.2 Overview
Heading number portion
6.2
Item id
1765553549106_322
Heading id
s6.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
General comment for whole standard: • There is a lack of cohesiveness between sections – some requirements contradict themselves and different terminology is used, or responsibilities are assigned to different people.
What should we change it to?
Check for inconsistencies and contradictions. Structure the different sections consistently. Add specific cross-references where it makes sense, as well as specific references to clauses in other codes/standards named in the standard.
Why should we change it?
Different sections require different things of the same building elements.
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6.2 Overview
Heading number portion
6.2
Item id
1765553717442_968
Heading id
s6.2
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
General comment for whole standard: • This standard is not ready for publication – there are many technical contradictions and incorrect statements, missing information, lack of clarity, confusing structure, vague references to other standards and references to standards that are not published. It was difficult to review.
What should we change it to?
Continue development work. Note that there is work underway on means of egress for people with disabilities at the National Model Codes level (for NBC 2030). Please feel free to tune into meetings (they are open to anyone) and see what is in the works there. :)
Why should we change it?
The standard still needs significant development work.
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6.2 Overview
Heading number portion
6.2
Item id
1765553851965_876
Heading id
s19.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
While well intended, PEEPs require a person to provide a lot of personal information and then are quizzed on various building features. It is unlikely that people will want to do this every time they enter a building.
What should we change it to?
Consider options that are more feasible in practice and rely less on paperwork that is likely to be difficult to manage adequately.
Why should we change it?
It is unlikely to work in practice.
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19.1 PEEPs general
Heading number portion
19.1
Submission ID
64281
Submitted by
brigitte.potvin@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Submitted on
Fri, 12/12/2025 - 10:38
Consent to contact
Yes

Individual 64405's submission

CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
Feedback items
Item id
1766524419205_432
Heading id
s21.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
Evacuation chairs: wheeled devices that are lightweight and foldable frames for easy storage and transportation. They have tracks or belts that enable controlled descent downstairs plus braking.
What should we change it to?
21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers a. Evacuation chairs: wheeled devices that are lightweight and foldable frames for easy storage and transportation. They have tracks or belts that enable controlled descent downstairs plus braking. Feedback: The language mentions braking as part of evacuation chair design, but we should add self braking system through controlled friction. When I was researching different evacuation chairs, I found ALL models expect one have an actual brake, and in an emergency where things are already stressful, and you want the evacuation chair to work without extra steps. I have also noticed that an actual hand brake system on an evacuation chair works contrary to what we have learned in previous training where a self-braking sys21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers a. Evacuation chairs: wheeled devices that are lightweight and foldable frames for easy storage and transportation. They have tracks or belts that enable controlled descent downstairs plus braking. Feedback: The language mentions braking as part of evacuation chair design, but we should add self braking system through controlled friction. When I was researching different evacuation chairs, I found ALL models expect one have an actual brake, and in an emergency where things are already stressful, and you want the evacuation chair to work without extra steps.
Why should we change it?
I have also noticed that an actual hand brake system on an evacuation chair works contrary to what we have learned in previous training where a self-braking system is what is used worldwide. My colleagues and I have always found a self-braking system safer and easier to use.
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21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers
Heading number portion
21.1.1
Item id
1766524628746_346
Heading id
s21.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
d. A non-powered unit: for standard evacuation down to grade level.
What should we change it to?
When describing non powered units for standard evacuation, it might be helpful to note whether the evacuation chair includes arm rests and footrests for added stability. These details stood out to me when researching options, since they help keep someone feeling supported during an evacuation. Mentioning higher weight capacities, greater than 440 pounds, would also be helpful, as it allows more people to be safely accommodated. It appears the hammock style seating cradles the person being evacuated lowering the center of gravity making it much safer that a flat seat. I have found these Canadian Evacuation chair manufacturers include all of the above. Evac Chair Canada https://evac-chair.ca/evacchair-400h/ and Safety Chair https://safety-chair.ca/evacuation-chairs/safety-chair-ev-4000/
Why should we change it?
When describing non powered units for standard evacuation, it might be helpful to note whether the evacuation chair includes arm rests and footrests for added stability. These details stood out to me when researching options, since they help keep someone feeling supported during an evacuation. Mentioning higher weight capacities, greater than 440 pounds, would also be helpful, as it allows more people to be safely accommodated. It appears the hammock style seating cradles the person being evacuated lowering the center of gravity making it much safer that a flat seat. I have found these Canadian Evacuation chair manufacturers include all of the above. Evac Chair Canada https://evac-chair.ca/evacchair-400h/ and Safety Chair https://safety-chair.ca/evacuation-chairs/safety-chair-ev-4000/
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21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers
Heading number portion
21.1.1
Item id
1766524719057_123
Heading id
s21.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
Technical such as dimensions or application of the standard
What should we change?
e. A powered unit: for evacuating up to grade level
What should we change it to?
When describing powered units used to evacuate up to grade level, it might be useful to note the weight capacity and speed control. Including higher weight capacities, greater than 500 pounds, would help show that these devices can accommodate a broader range of people who may need assistance
Why should we change it?
When going up the stairs, multi speeds are very important because with heavier person as a passenger you may need the speed controls assistance due to gravity. When we were in training, it was recommended that all battery-operated evacuation chairs should have a manual override in case the battery were to fail
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21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers
Heading number portion
21.1.1
Item id
1766524764731_200
Heading id
s21.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
A powered unit: for evacuating up to grade level.
What should we change it to?
Training for evacuation chairs were highly recommended, and that the manufacture or supplier has online or in person training.
Why should we change it?
This did help me have more confidence in the use of the evacuation chair.
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21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers
Heading number portion
21.1.1
Item id
1766524852650_487
Heading id
s21.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
e. A powered unit: for evacuating up to grade level.
What should we change it to?
Additionally, a long-lasting battery that can do over 100 flights on a full charge has been recommended to us in a previous training
Why should we change it?
This has been recommended to us in a previous training
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21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers
Heading number portion
21.1.1
Item id
1766524919323_826
Heading id
s21.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
A powered unit: for evacuating up to grade level.
What should we change it to?
One thing that stood out to me while researching evacuation chairs was the importance of lifetime warranty coverage.
Why should we change it?
These devices will hopefully never need to be used, but if they are needed, it could be five, ten, or even twenty years after installation. Having confidence that the evacuation chair is still under warranty and functioning properly feels important for safety and peace of mind. I also noticed that some evacuation chairs are offered with lifetime warranties, which seems like a reasonable expectation for government or public facilities making long term safety investments. A lifetime warranty could help avoid the need to replace equipment every five to ten years and ensure long term reliability. These evacuation chairs have all these features I mentioned: https://evac-chair.com/evacchair-power-900/
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21.1.1 Manufacturers and suppliers
Heading number portion
21.1.1
Submission ID
64405
Submitted by
yanceyhead1@gmail.com
Submitted on
Tue, 12/23/2025 - 16:24
Consent to contact
Yes

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