Individual 64535's submission
CAN-ASC-2.2 – Emergency Egress (Exit)
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1768598067164_194
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s6
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: Defines appropriate procedures and processes
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
It is difficult to imagine how these regulations will apply in practice. It may be helpful to clarify the scope of the “appropriate procedures and processes” to be defined.
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7. Scope
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7.
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1768598166217_198
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: The ability of a person with a disability to safely evacuate a building is dependent upon the appropriate design of the building and the development and implementation of emergency procedures and practices that accommodate all building occupants.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
It seems like the draft regulations are seeking to address the design of the built environment, AND the emergency procedures and practices that accommodate building occupants.
In this draft, the built environment provisions tend to invoke universal design, while the emergency procedures and practices do not. Instead, these are highly personalized and seemingly most relevant to a workplace environment.
It is difficult to imagine that people with disabilities will fill out a visitor PEEP form and be assigned a “buddy” each time they enter an airport, for example.
People without disabilities can assume their safe evacuation without having to brief the wardens of each building they enter. How can principles of universal design ensure that this is possible for people with disabilities as well?
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10. Emergency egress for people with disabilities
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10.
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1768598514198_800
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: Emergencies requiring shelter-in-place
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Shelter in place emergencies are raised here, but the regulations seemingly do not relate to shelter in place emergencies. This is one example of why it is important to clarify scope.
People with an intellectual disability can be particularly at risk during armed intrusions, for example. Could best practices be included here? Further, would it be within scope to encourage staff to build “go kits” including time sensitive medications, and medical equipment to carry with a person in case of a shelter in place emergency? Some people might also include noise diffusing earplugs, a weighted vest, or other support items.
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10.1.1.3 Emergencies requiring shelter-in-place
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10.1.1.3
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1768598647102_221
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: Practices and procedures: During an emergency that requires occupants to exit the building, the general population will follow the evacuation routes that are clearly naked, or they will exit the building the same way they entered.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
People with disabilities are members of the general population. This should be rephrased.
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11. Practices and procedures
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1768598718446_77
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: People with disabilities will need to follow their PEEP procedures and have more information about the options to exit quickly and safely.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Why is this? Please explain the barriers that arise during an emergency. As written, it seems like people can’t exit quickly and safely without personalized procedures and added information due to their disability alone.
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11. Practices and procedures
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1768598762473_123
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: appointing an organizing of designated supervisory staff to carry out emergency safety duties.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Are "supervisory staff" relevant to all buildings requiring fire safety plans under the draft guidelines?
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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1768598805769_600
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: (i) assisting in assigning a buddy and (j) ensuring all people who requested a buddy and a back-up buddy have one assigned.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
The concept of a buddy is problematic as currently invoked. The word "buddy" feels childish. Further, unless all occupants of federally regulated buildings are "assigned a buddy," this likely shouldn't be prescribed for a person with a disability. And are we assuming that the buddy will follow the person around? Bullet (d) “evacuating occupants, including special provisions for people requiring assistance” is likely adequate.
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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1768598885182_25
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s11.1.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: a copy of that plan is required to be provided to the arriving emergency services - typically through a fire safety box plan.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Are we expecting that people will fill out a PEEP in every federally regulated building they enter? And that the plan in the fire safety box will be updated regularly throughout the day as people with disabilities come and go? Is this realistic? Or should this be narrowed?
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11.1.1 Information in the fire safety plan
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11.1.1
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1768598929208_632
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: The role of emergency wardens:
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
An emergency warden is an occupational health and safety requirement. This relates to scope issues.
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11.2.1.1 The role of the emergency wardens
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11.2.1.1
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1768598960994_802
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: The role of first responders:
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Is it possible to reference that first responders should be trained to support people with disabilities (including specifically intellectual disabilities). A PEEP can only go so far in a fast moving emergency.
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11.2.1.2 The role of the first responder(s)
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11.2.1.2
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1768599010996_477
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: The role of the person with a disability:
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
When are these expectations relevant? Are we raising the bar higher for people with disabilities than we are for others? Again, would an average person know of the location of muster points, egress routes, and areas of refuge in an airport? Rather than putting this on persons with disabilities, could the regulations require standards for the location and signage related to these key spots.
Please include reference to supported decision-making / planning.
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11.2.1.3 The role of the person with a disability
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11.2.1.3
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1768599044072_346
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: The role of the buddy:
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
See above. This section also conflates personal support (which should be directed by the person) with awareness of evacuation procedures. It should be reworked and clarified.
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11.2.1.4 The role of the buddy
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11.2.1.4
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1768599797139_628
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s11.3.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: (d) the procedures for alerting others of the work location.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Is this an expectation for all occupants?
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11.3.4 Information to be included in the employee PEEP
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11.3.4
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1768600034552_420
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s11.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: Personal Emergency Evacuation Plane
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
A PEEP is one process for accommodating evacuation procedures. How can universal design improve overall accessibility of emergency egress?
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11.3 Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan (PEEP)
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11.3
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1768600176076_112
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: Before an emergency occurs, each person having been identified as needing assistance shall be assigned a buddy and a backup buddy who is willing to assist in an emergency. It is the responsibility of the building manager to ensure that buddies are assigned.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Needs reframe. A buddy should not be assigned by anyone other than the person with a disability. “Buddy” implies personal support.
There is a lot of focus on “buddies” and lifting in these regulations. People can have a vast array of support needs which should be considered. How can a person access support in the moment, if a disability is acquired due to the emergency?
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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
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1768600570621_392
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: In these cases, the emergency egress procedure should be executed to the greatest degree possible.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
How else can fire drill be made more inclusive? Example of potential accommodations: Could people be given a heads up, offered the opportunity to review procedure in advance, introduced to recordings of alarm sounds on low volume? etc.
It would also be nice if the regs mentioned that people can be emotionally harmed if they are left behind, the last one to exit, etc during a drill.
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11.4.1.1 Emergency evacuation drills
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11.4.1.1
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1768600880568_453
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What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: There are different types of signage that relate to emergency egress for various purposes.
And page 77: Emergency egress directional signage shall be:
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Emergency routes should be clearly marked with signage using bright colors and symbols rather than words. Signage should be standardized and in plain language where relevant.
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16.1 Application
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16.1
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1768600938716_598
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s18.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: Non verbal
What should we change it to?
People who don't communicate with words.
Why should we change it?
NA
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18.1 People with communication disabilities
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18.1
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1768600994337_673
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s18.1
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: Assistive communication techniques
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
The techniques listed support listening. Speaking can also be accommodated.
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18.1 People with communication disabilities
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18.1
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1768601263814_526
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s18.3
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: People with cognitive disabilities
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
This section is lacking detail. Having a "buddy" is insufficient. Consult with people and families to add detail. Potential examples of supports include:
- more frequent practice.
- reviewing social stories.
- a gradual introduction to drills.
- a go bag with support items.
- information in easy to understand language and formats.
- consistent signage and routes.
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18.3 People with cognitive disabilities
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18.3
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1768601338931_361
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s18.4
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: for people who suffer from anxiety or some other mental health issues, their behaviour may become unpredictable.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Is it necessary to remark on a person’s “unpredictable behaviour” in this context?
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18.4 People with mental health issues
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18.4
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1768601378264_543
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s18.7
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: it is important to consider that the person with the disability may have a variety of issues.
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Stigmatizing, needs to be reworded.
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18.7 People with multiple disabilities
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18.7
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1768601533172_988
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s16.5
What kind of suggestion are you making?
General comments on the overall standard or a section such as things that are missing
What should we change?
Edits to: Other signage
What should we change it to?
NA
Why should we change it?
Signs should warn of any inaccessible pathways and how evacuation is addressed (e.g., narrow corridors, steps, heavy doors)
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16.5 Other signage
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16.5
Submission ID
64535
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